Dry Mounting or Wet Mounting? I decided to run a Test...

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Hi all,
I own an Epson V750 scanner, and i'm still trying to understand how to use it (the supplied documentation is somewhat skimpy...). I use the supplied Epson Scan Software, since the SilverFast 8.0 that i got keeps hanging and freezing on my Mac. My V750 vas NOT supplied with a Wet Mount at all.

I have followed several threads about Dry or Wet mounting, but no clear conclusion was to be found, si i decided to run an homemade test.

Let say that the Epson supplied negative holders are... something that Epson should be blushing about. No way, absolutely no way to keep a 4X5 flat with them; no way to mount a Rollei 80S on the supplied 120 mounts (the Rollei 80S is slightly narrower than normal, and drops down through the mount) while an FP4+ / 120 keeps curling up.

I have invested some $$ and purchased a Betterscanning 4X5 mount, with an ANR glass plate that does not produce Newton rings. Huge improvement, after spending a couple of hours defining the best focusing... Finally i succeded by making a very tiny scratch on a negative emulsion, and focused the scratch himself. I mount my negatives taping them on the ANR side, emulsion down, and "suspended" below the Mount.

At that point, only Wet Mounting remained to be tested... but before spending another bunch of $$$ i decided to investigate a bit.

There is a ScanScience solution, and i was perusing their catalog for a long while; but since i was unable to find any image of the mounts they offer (not a single one), nor an instruction manual on their website, i dropped the idea for the moment.
There is also the Aztec proposal; and looking here Economical Fluid Wet Mounting Supplies i found that i can actually use my Betterscanning dry mount with Aztec fluid, tape etc. and that will be a good saving...

But "was the game worth the candle", as we say in Italy?

So i decided to make a test, using what i had on hands: my Betterscanning 4X5 mount.

I took a well defined 6x9 negative, and scanned it as usual. Then, without changing any scanning parameter, i wet mounted it to the NON_ANR side of the glass using a few drops of Zippo lighter fluid, with the emulsion facing the glass and the negative "suspended" below the mount's glass. I taped it all around (after GENTLY squeezing out the air bubbles with a lint-free paper towel) using Blue Masking Tape, and i DID NOT superimpose a Mylar sheet, for the very simple reason that i had none; the negative was flat on the glass anyway, and it was not scratched on the back side, so i decided to avoid it.
Scanning was done at 4800 DPI, no "enhancements" at all, flat curve. No enhancements in Lightroom either.


I'll attach to this post two scanned jpg of the same negative, one dry mounted and the other wet mounted; and i'll attach two crops, so you can compare.
On my humble opinion, the Wet Mount is better. Non astoundingly better, but better it is.
And using the Zippo fluid, the whole process is not "too much" time consuming than the Dry Mounting. It's a matter of minutes.
After the scan, i removed the negative from the glass, gently blowed on it and the negative was dry and perfect in a matter of seconds.

Conclusion? I have already ordered a Wet Mounting Kit from KAMI (European outlet for Aztec, and original producer of the fluid)

I'll appreciate your comments!

Paolo from Italy
 

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wet better fur sure
 
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Well, not SO MUCH better; but better it is, especially when you print it.
Moreover, i was not using a proper fluid, but just some Zippo lighter fluid; and no Mylar covering, just tape all around.
I wonder how it will be when my Kami fluid and Mylar will arrive.
Finally, it is not so messy and time-loosing as somebody said in several posts. It took maybe three minutes to mount, all including...
let's wait for the arrival of Kami, and then i'll be back...

paolo
 

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I've used both Kami and Zippo. I don't think you'll see a difference in the scan, but at least with my Zippo fluid, I get a slight amount of residue left behind.

You can make a blend (mineral spirits and naptha) that gets you closer to Kami (see the MSDS for Kami, or search DPUG, a blend has been posted). But the one advantage of Kami is that the fluid is very clean, doesn't leave a residue. Zippo is not designed for this use, I guess a bit of impurity is acceptable in its normal use.

I think you'll find the mylar cover aids in a few ways - it helps keep more curled film (like 35mm) completely flat, and it keeps the tape off the film entirely. You might find with 4x5 you don't need tape at all, or mylar. At that size, film is more well behaved than at 35mm or 120.
 

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Thanks very much for this test. To my eyes (and on a laptop screen), there is not much difference in the crops. The wet mounted one is a bit better but not by much. I am wondering how it would differ with a dedicated film scanner. I have a 9000 but have not yet gone the wet mounting route. I might still though.
 
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