Dry mount press: Buscher vs. Seal 500T

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Hi all,

one thing I am missing in my darkroom - dry mount press (for 30x40 cm prints).

I am looking on German ebay for some time, and found not much, almost nothing.

On fotoimpex I see Buscher for around 300€:

http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotolabor/buescher-trockenpresse-32x42cm-typ-1830.html

Is this Buscher type equally good as Seal 500T type? Will prints be super flat? I saw results from Seal 500T - they are perfect, flat like in a dream :smile:.

I usually do 20-30 prints in one session, so putting prints on glass, under books, and other methods are work and time consuming - and on the end not so good as dry mount results that I saw.
 

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The purposes of the devices you mention differ slightly...
Büscher is for drying and glazing (ferrotyping) photographic prints.
Seal 500T press is used to mount prints alredy dried with a sort of glue (a bit like pergamin) which is sandwiched between the mount and the print and activated by heat. (Can be done with a hot iron...)
I have used both.
If my memory serves me right I bought my Büscher from a local flea-bay for 50€ - so be patient. A handy device if you know how to use it. And don't be tempted to by spare canvases at those prices, they can be sewn quite easily. An advantage in the Büscher is the adjustability of the heat. A feature my polish made dryer is lacking. Some times it is better to heat things up slowly.
 
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The purposes of the devices you mention differ slightly...
Büscher is for drying and glazing (ferrotyping) photographic prints.
Seal 500T press is used to mount prints alredy dried with a sort of glue (a bit like pergamin) which is sandwiched between the mount and the print and activated by heat. (Can be done with a hot iron...)
I have used both.
If my memory serves me right I bought my Büscher from a local flea-bay for 50€ - so be patient. A handy device if you know how to use it. And don't be tempted to by spare canvases at those prices, they can be sewn quite easily. An advantage in the Büscher is the adjustability of the heat. A feature my polish made dryer is lacking. Some times it is better to heat things up slowly.

Thanks for replay. I know that Seal 500T is used for mounting - but I have seen (on the internet) that people use this also for making prints flat; they put it between 2 papers and press it for ~2 minutes, it makes print very flat.

About Busher - and similar devices - are prints on the end super flat - no curling at all?
 

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Oh, I see!
I wouldn't use Seal other than it is meant to be... and certainly wouldn't put a print straight out of a washer in it.
The Büscher and all proper drying presses I've seen have slightly curved plates. The purpose of this curvature is to compensate thermodynamic differences between gelatin and paper layers - i.e. to make a flat print. I wouldn't say straight as the horizon but quite satisfactorily so.
 
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. The purpose of this curvature is to compensate thermodynamic differences between gelatin and paper layers - i.e. to make a flat print. I wouldn't say straight as the horizon but quite satisfactorily so.

If I buy one like Buscher ... couple of questions:

Face of the print goes to metal side or to fabric? Do you put it in dryer when is wet (directly from water), or you leave it a little to dry in the air (on the glass or wall)? How many minutes does it takes?


thanks :smile:
 

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I think the fellow poster has already made the point you are talking about two different machines, but I will add some as I work with the drymounting presses, flattening fiber, all the time.

The "Trockenpresse" you can use to either 'dry' or 'gloss dry' the fiber prints. Gloss dry you do by putting the wet image face down to the aluminium plate. Drying you do by laying the print in there face up to the canvas. Obviously many people have used these methods and they result in more or less flat prints. The flatness depends on how good you are at it, understanding many parameters like humidity, differences in photo papers, what to do after using the machine (still putting weight on a stack of prints, etc).

Personally I stayed away from this machine and always used a drymounting press to flatten air-dried prints. I use this equipment professionally and also most b/w fiber labs that still exist will use the drymounting presses.

I have two drymounting presses: a Seal for just over 40X50cm and a Büscher for just over 50X60cm. The Büscher I have had for 25 years, the Seal I got recently to be able to use less the Büscher. I am always afraid it will break down, so all my 40X50 and smaller sizes I do in the Seal.

These presses get the same result but operate slightly different. The older Büscher takes 30 minutes at least to get to 90 degrees, the Seal is much quicker. The Büscher has three heating positions, 1, 2 and 3. The last brings it to and over the 90 degrees, so you check the thermometer on the machine to switch to 2 after the 90 degrees was reached. The Seal you set to 90 degrees, a red light goes out when the 90 degrees is reached and the machine turns itself off. And on again when the temperature has dropped below the set 90 degrees.

You put the dry prints face down between a smooth folded museum carton (for mats, acid free) and you press between 1 and 2 minutes. Or longer is ok too if you haven't set the tension of the press too high. This is important, it allows for you to be interupted or do something else a moment without risking to press too hot/tense which can result in prints sticking to the carton.

Prints you can dry on drying racks, I just hang them using two paralel lines with larger, strong clothes pecks . . . When you dry the prints, the warmer the room, the more they wrinkle. After pressing it is important to put the prints between acid free cartons for at least some hours. I always trim the prints about half a cm after that. You cut the tension out of the paper. Make sure you wash your prints well, for the obvious reasons, but remember that remaining fix will go into pressing carton or the canvas of the glossing machines. That's bad.

The Büscher I do not remember how much I paid, the Seal was €450 two years ago, near Köln (I am in The Netherlands). I have the feeling both exist in smaller sizes, you need to research a bit.

Hope it helps !

Michael
 
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The "Trockenpresse" you can use to either 'dry' or 'gloss dry' the fiber prints. Gloss dry you do by putting the wet image face down to the aluminium plate.

In the past that was polished and chromed steel.
Today it is polished stainless steel.
 

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In the past that was polished and chromed steel.
Today it is polished stainless steel.

Yes, you are very right, I always get that wrong.

One thing I forgot to mention and it is quite critical: in the water we use here can be tiny hard pieces of either metal or stone. When they attach to the prints it is a problem, their dents as a result of pressing flat are quite permanent. You will need to filter the water somehow and I check the image side before pressing.
 

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Most People in the Netherlands have homes of their own, thus installing a in-line filter next to the meter should not be such a problem. Thus only the resting tubing would remain as source of particles.
 
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