Thanks for sharing. I guess I will stick to D-76 1:1 then
Nice report, thank you. To add: Xtol can also be considered for XX. Your description of the D76 results matches my Xtol experience perfectly, which is not a surprise as, I suspect, Xtol design aim was to be as similar to D76 as possible.
All makes sense, as a movie film it should work well in D76 or a clone as D76 was first marketed as movie film developer? Without an anithalogent layer Double X will lose some sharpness. Question, when was Double X last formulated, it is an old fashion thick emulsion or newer thinner type, say 90s update like TriX? I have only used Double X a few times and developed in Clayton F76+ or D76, results were ok, but at the same price I can buy Foma 200.
Has anyone tired Double X in Diafine?
The antihalation layer is designed to absorb light that has passed through the image forming layers of the emulsion in order to keep them from reflecting back into the image forming layers again.
When this stray light is allowed back into the image forming layers it has been scattered to some extent and can interact with the image formed by the lens in a number of different ways but almost always decreases the apparent sharpness of the image to some extent.
What's strange is that I do not recall Plus-X movie film (which was the only choice after "real" Plus-X disappeared) having a sharpness problem.
How do you feel about the sharpness of Double X in Xtol?
When Plus-X disappeared, I was well stocked, freezer wise, but I was worried what would happen when that was gone. I had hoped that 5222 aka Double X would be a worthy successor.
After many months of fiddling, testing, and printing, with a variety of films/developers, I have come to some general conclusions, I thought I'd share. These apply only to 35mm. I've not gotten around to testing much of my 120 stock. The "test" here was to make negatives, develop in different ways, and see what an 8x10 print looked like from that negative.
This is all anecdotal, and I'm hoping someone will chime in with "No, no, no, that's wrong, you do it THIS way...":
Here are some examples of Double X in D-76 - scans of silver prints:
- Compared to pretty much all other similar speed films - Plus-X, Efke 100, FP4+, Fomapan 200 - Double X is not as inherently sharp. I could not get it to consistently give me the snap these other films had.
- Double X tends to creep towards overly contrasty if you don't mind your developer manners with care. It's not as bad as Fomapan 200 (which you REALLY have to watch), but it still likes to go toward higher Contrast Indexes than I like.
- No matter what I did, I could not get a great negative with Double-X in Pyro. I tried both PMK and Pyrocat-HD. In both cases, the negatives showed grain and I kind of tonal "grittiness" I found to be unpleasant.
- This problem got REALLY bad when I tried to use semistand or Extreme Minimal Agitation techniques with Pyrocat-HD, both of which rely on higher dilutions than ordinary development. No matter what dilution or duration I chose, the resulting grain/grit/contrast was really ugly. This is the only film where I have found this to be true.
- So, my general conclusion is that Double X doesn't like highly dilute acutance development. Period.
- Well .. sort of. I got pretty decent results - good grain and contrast - developing Double X in HC-110B for 6 min. HC-110B is a balance between acutance and managing grain and this turned out nicely.
- I had originally suspected that semistand/EMA was off the table for this film because of the horrorshow I found with using Pyrocat-HD with this film. To my surprise and happiness, EMA in D-23 1+3 for 30 min was just lovely. After an initial 90sec agitation, I agitated every 7.5 min and pulled the film at 30mins. The images were (relatively) sharp, highlights were well managed and shadows showed pretty nearly full box speed. When shooting into really big Subject Brightness Ranges, this is likely what I will use. (Let it be noted that going past 1+3 in dilution with this small a format is begging for more visible grain.)
- But the cleanest, lowest grain look I got out of this film was developing it conventionally in D-76 1:1 for 7.5 min. The negatives are (relatively) sharp, contrast is well controlled, and even fairly large SBRs get handled nicely. This is my default/goto for this film for most things now.
- No matter what, though, the film just is not as apparently sharp as, say, FP4+. This is especially the case because FP4+ thrives in high dilution development like EMA where edge sharpness can be enhanced a lot.
- But Double X has a place. It's a good "walking around" film for street work. The extra speed comes in handy.
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I have been shooting double-X recently and even though I like the results from D76 1:1(there’s little I don’t like in that developer) I do find D96 really is a great pairing as long as you don’t mind flat negatives.the Factory recommendation for both 5231 and 5222 was/is D96, which has basically the same ingredients as D76, but a slightly different formula.
I have been shooting double-X recently and even though I like the results from D76 1:1(there’s little I don’t like in that developer) I do find D96 really is a great pairing as long as you don’t mind flat negatives.
I mix both developers myself(although now I’m using the last of Kodak D76). They are in fact very similar, but the metal-hydroquinone ratio is different and amounts of both are lower in D96. Its sulfite content, though, is similar, or perhaps even a bit higher in D96(I don’t have my notes in front of me). What they means practically is it will act a bit like diluted D76 as far as contrast, but keeps similar grain solvent effects to straight D76.
Most significant though is that d96 contains KBr in a decent amount, something that will suppress fog and decrease contrast.
So the end result is very flat negatives and soft grain.
The lower contrast is likely an accommodation for movie projection.
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