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My 35mm photography is actually going through something like a small renaissance at the moment, courtesy of a Bessa-L and a 21mm lens. Small, light, and works without batteries. Just like old MF folders - but they don't have the wide-angle lenses I discovered I need at work (offshore oil rigs). The last picture I posted in the gallery was shot with that!

So much of the time I have either one of my old MF folders in a pocket, or an equally old and folding Voigtländer Vito II. Great little cameras, and eminently portable!

But if I go out with the purpose of taking pictures, I'll bring a 4x5". Or a 5x7". Or a 18x24cm. Or maybe the 24x30cm...
 
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It is so good to be with people who got it worse and still seem to lead a perfectly happy life... :wink: I'm watching a couple of auctions now to test the waters. At least that's how I rationalize it. Resistance is futile, I fear. :D

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Antje, don't watch :D. The temptation will be so high you will not be successful resisting the need to take part...

"How can I make this lens/camera/holder (whatever) go by for such a price... I may not have the same chance..." :D And then you're yet deeper...

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Oh you are doomed... just plain doomed!! :D
It only gets worse. Every once in a while I catch myself eyeing an 8x10, but have to pinch myself back to fiscal reality. My old, refinished Kodak 2D 5x7 does just fine... it does just fine... it does just fine...

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The nice thing about a Hassy is that it can be stored and transported in an 8x10.
 

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Thanks for your understanding, guys... I really needed a shoulder to cry on. Now where is that next cameraholic meeting? :D Antje

Hi, my name is John and I haven't bought any camera or darkroom gear in two weeks.

I'm sure there is a meeting in your area. If not, this is a good place to be. Won't help your addiction, but will put you in the midst of people with similar uncontrollable urges so you won't feel alone.

Welcome to APUG.
 

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> Now where is that next cameraholic meeting?

If you have the need to talk to someone appreciative in your own language once in a while, you may give http://www.phototec.de/frame40.htm a try (not intending to lure you out here of course). Many Rollei afficinados there. You may even find your meeting near Erlangen :smile:

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Not Doomed but blessed

I would say you have seen the light, followed your heart and thus found blessing in real photography. Hassy, Rollei, Pentax, Mamiya or Zenzei doesn't matter its the silver that counts. :smile:
Just bevare of the LF pushers.
Cheers and welcome
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I think we all go through this.

Just don't buy any (there was a url link here which no longer exists). . .

The 65 mm lens mentioned arrived in yesterday's mail.

The doomed and lovin' it DaveT
 
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Dave, that's just terrible. What should I say, congratulations or "I'm sorry"? :D
I had this sinking feeling when I took the Rolleicord home - I'm sure you know that feeling... Like you are heading off into a new, strange direction. It was this crossroads-like feeling.

I guess I'm in this acceptance phase now... I'm looking at scans of colour negs I just picked up today, they were meant as a test drive for the Rolleicord, but after buying the darkroom equipment they came in last, so to speak. Just a few shots out of my window at work, but man, I can see the people in the other building across the street. They aren't as nice as the B&Ws, of course. :D

Does anyone know what a Hasselblad kit should go for? Don't laugh. :smile: And don't tell me you knew from the start! :tongue: At my local dealer, I've had a look (again) at a 500C/M kit with 80/2.8 Planar and a A12 magazine, but that one is really ugly, a true beater... Seems to work fine, though, but he wants 900 Euros for it. That's not what I'm seeing on Ebay for not that beaten up Hasselblads, in fact, I've never seen one that was in that bad shape. So what would be a good price, what do you think?

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Doomed. That is the word. My brother-in-law bought a Rolleiflex on friday (yes just 4 days ago), shot some 6x6 BW, projected them on paper (just a tiny 18x18cm enlargements) on sunday.

Today he forced me to buy a Fuji GSW690II on the auction site for him (he doesn't have the account). I only hope the price was not ridiculously high, but he wanted it anyway...

And from his talk, I think given some time I'll be able to pull him for the LF... :D
 

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Thanks for your understanding, guys... I really needed a shoulder to cry on. Now where is that next cameraholic meeting? :D
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Thankfully, I've been a very poor student long enough to be forever reluctant to spend - I think the prudent step would be shooting the Rolleicord for a while until I find out if that's really what I want.
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Antje

Hmmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what student loans and grants were for - to buy MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE cameras (well, at least that's what I always thought :D ).

So how does it feel to be an addict? It always runs the same doomed descent spiralling into the abyss. At first they all say "I can quit, I can". Usually they start with the soft P&S's from a dealer (but I've seen rally desperate souls who tried cameraphones to get their kicks too, what a sad sight). And the police never goes after the dealers with their bright shiny store fronts. Soon, one needs more of a buzz, and one hugs a SLR with half a dozen lenses. Then there's the shaking of the hands, the irrational thoughts, when the withdrawel symptoms set in, and the addict begs the dealer for a medium format ("gimme a Rollei, a Hassy, a Mamyia, ANYTHING for 120, I NEED IT"). You have just entered this stage. While not completely impossible, the prospects for a successful rehab are almost nil. But consider the consequences of your thoughtless actions. In the last and final stages, people succumb to the hard large format stuff, first the 4x5's, then it has to be bigger, larger, finer grained and people go for the 5x7's, and eventually one hallucinates that the negs are shrinking and the addict tries to find refuge in 8x10 and larger. People in those stages will do ANYTHING to get their hands on more gear, and you can see the depair to find more funding money in their eyes ("I sell you my out house, my wife, the dog, the kids, for this Gandolfi... just let me touch it..."). Sometimes you'll see these folks wandering aimless in groups through the countrysides (and towns). Be very careful, they are considered dangerous (do not under any circumstance try to talk with them or you will be killed on the spot with endless discussions about Rodinal) and are armed with tripods. Have a look at them however. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO LOOK LIKE THESE BOHEMIAN LUDDITES IN THE AGE OF THE DIGITAL REVOLUTION??? :surprised:

Oh, and by the way, I just got a nice long focus 5x7 Century with an ubercool MultiSpeed shutter in the mail today (kinda similar to the more common Premos), and that nice 120mm G. Gennert New York Brass 5x7 wide angle should arrive shortly in my mailbox too. That makes my stash about 50 cameras from 35 to 8x10 (and Hassy's are neat, the sound of the mirror and light baffles sounds like songs of the sirens - irresistable). Life is good (not so my credit card statements).:D
 

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Ditto. Just give in now and buy an 8X10. You know you want it.
 

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... So what would be a good price, what do you think?
I pieced together a set with a 500c/m body, two A12 mags, one Distagon C 50T* (ugly), one Sonnar C 150 (no T*, but in extremely fine condition), WLF and the Ukranian "NC2"-finder for a grand total of under 1200 Euro. And prices have come down since then. Granted it took me half a year of scouting auction-sites, but yet ...

A beater with one mag and the 80mm -- I'd say 400 - 650 euro. Maybe 100 extra if it's a CF-lens, a hundred less if it's not a T*. But bargains can be had if you are patient.

Good hunting -- MW
 

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I pieced together a set with a 500c/m body, two A12 mags, one Distagon C 50T* (ugly), one Sonnar C 150 (no T*, but in extremely fine condition), WLF and the Ukranian "NC2"-finder for a grand total of under 1200 Euro. And prices have come down since then. Granted it took me half a year of scouting auction-sites, but yet ...

A beater with one mag and the 80mm -- I'd say 400 - 650 euro. Maybe 100 extra if it's a CF-lens, a hundred less if it's not a T*. But bargains can be had if you are patient.

Good hunting -- MW

A few more thoughts to add:

Try to find one of the more "recent" A12 backs, not the older bullet hole style. The newer ones are easier to load and more convenient. The darkslides should not be bent, otherwise you are risking light leaks. The felt inside the dark slide opening of the back does deteriorate over time and cause light leaks as well. Check the little gear which hooks to the camera for film advance for worn or stripped parts. An A12 back on ebay might run from 150-250$.
The camera bodies are relatively though, but they are still finemechanical machines, meaning that a beater could well have been beaten to death. Check the mirrors and the light baffles (sometimes refered to as secondary shutter) for snappy action. If the baffle behaves sluggish, you could be in for potentially expensive repairs (tired springs). A used 500 body might set you back anywhere from 200-350$. 501 bodies are more recent, offer a few minor advantages, but will cost more, and any 503 body will demand a hefty premium. A prism is luxuary you can do without with in the beginning, but make sure the camera comes with at least the WL finder (some ebay seller strip the bodies down).
Lenses: used CF lenses are becoming more affordable, and if you have the chance to get one, grab it. The older silver *T lenses are fine performers too and generally a lot less expensive, but they have some operational quirks which you have to get accustomed too (namely setting speed and aperture isn't quite as intuitive if you want to set them independently from each other). The front diameters of the lenses are normed across the range (OK, there are a few oddballs), ranging from the B50 to the B93 bayonet filter mounts (B50 for silver lenses and B60 for CF lenses being the more common sizes). Filters for these mounts are insanely priced though (best to get an adapter to something more ordinary. Do some tests of the lens attached to the camera. Camera and lens can only be attached to each other if both are cocked, so be careful when mounting the lens and don't force it to avoid damage. Run a few test shutter releases, and listen to the shutter of the lens; you should hear a noticeable difference with each speed setting. Also watch for erratic shutter behaviour (ie shutter sometimes not reacting or unexpectally firing). Sometimes in these rare cases, lens and camera can become "out-of-sync", for which a special screw driver is needed to cock the lens shutter through the back of the camera body (well, any long handle small flat screw driver will do in these circumstances). The standard lens is a 80mm and should be quite cheap compared to other Hassy lenses. A 150mm would make a nice long lens. The 120mm is too close to the 80mm IMHO for a different focal length, but is stellar for closeup work. The 50mm makes a nice wide angle but is quite pricey (you can get the 60mm, but it's too close to the 80mm again to make much of a difference).
 

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Antje...Hi, I lived in Erlangen from 1975-1977..Ferris Barracks. Anyway, I am still doomed. Two RB67, I RZ67, Two Mamiya 654 and I Bronica ETRSI. All brought within the past 13 months.
 
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DO YOU REALLY WANT TO LOOK LIKE THESE BOHEMIAN LUDDITES IN THE AGE OF THE DIGITAL REVOLUTION??? :surprised:

:D Actually, I was raised by one! That's where it all came from, probably. And no, I never wanted to be like my father - mostly because my mom hates him spending days on end in the darkroom. He's retired now and puts the darkroom over walking the dog and cleaning the house for his still-working wife. :D He says he lets me use his enlarger when I come home on Christmas... Is he evil or what? :smile:

The rest of your post sounds like you've been stalking me for years. And I thought I was the only one falling that fast, but it turns out that's just the normal way into addiction these days. I started with a Fuji 2600Z in 2002, my then-boyfriend now-husband brought one home right before a vacation (so you could say it's all his fault). I was not into photography AT ALL, but the little camera got me hooked in virtually no time. Six months later, I had a Canon 10D with a 50/1.8, then a Tamron 90/2.8, then a Canon 300/4, then a Tamron 180/3.5, then a Canon 17-40, then a 20D, then a MP-E 65/2.8, then I gave the 50/1.8 away and bought a 50/1.4 and shot a wedding with it, then I started participating in NaturFoto and actually was published a couple of times. I even had a spider photo in National Geographic Hungary (and in the kids' edition), and I have images at Alamy.

So all is well, you might think... I'm perfectly happy with digital! I am THE digital success story, from a 2MP snap shot cam to Alamy in four years. And then this 70 year old camera came along and I realized I was missing something all the time. Now I'm even seeing in squares! And I had a sudden urge of panic yesterday when I realized that I'm out of film. :D

I hope I can convince my husband that there truly is room for not only another camera, but a whole new system in our house. I've started showing him the incredible detail (he's a physicist and can't be lured by tonality).

Oh, and my dad said he has a perfectly fine 8x10 he's hardly ever using. Maybe if I get that and follow the good advice from JBrunner above and hide the Hasselblad inside the 8x10... :smile:

Antje
 
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Antje...Hi, I lived in Erlangen from 1975-1977..Ferris Barracks. Anyway, I am still doomed. Two RB67, I RZ67, Two Mamiya 654 and I Bronica ETRSI. All brought within the past 13 months.

Ferris Barracks, sure, I know that area. Actually, I work 100m away of the old buildings there that were turned into apartments and commercial space. I'm sure you know which big company I mean... :smile: As you sure know, the training area was turned into a nature preserve where Przewalski horses keep the land open and to preserve the rare species that settled that area during its use as a training range. Lovely, really.

Antje
 

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Don't buy the 500 C. Go for 500 C/M or preferably 503CX, 501C or 501CM. Prices are different, but they are easier to service and better cameras.

I bought my Hassy kit, 503cx, 80/2.8 Planar CFE T*, 150/4 Sonnar C T*, one A12, one 8 mm extension ring, for 12000 SEK, approx 1300 Euro.

My Hassy is the only camera that makes me take better pictures. It's amazing...
 

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I have a C and a CM, other than being able to change the screen there is no difference.

I got the C needing repair, sent it to David Odess for service and a new Brightscreen #5 screen. I wonder how many Hassy owners actually change screens once they get one they like?

Do stay away from the first three years of productions of the 500C body. While they look the same on the outside, they have different internals and parts are very scare. This is not true for the 500c's built after 1957.

Anyway, don't be scared of a 500C, my 1968 version works great.

Mike

PS. Guessing you know the Hassy code for IDing the year of the body and backs?
1V 2H 3P 4I 5C 6T 7U 8R 9E 0S.

PSS. I have a A12 back (auto stop at frame 1 after lining up the film arrow with a red dot on the back). But I actually like the old peep holes (12 back) better. I think it is a little faster loading since you don't have to lline up the arrow, just wind until you get to the number 1 on the paper backing looking through the peep hole.

Later
 
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