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D-76 is not an everlasting developer either.

Are all ascorbic acid based developers when mixed with water undergoes rapid oxidation(no Fenton reaction) compared to MQ/PQ based developers?
 

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Are all ascorbic acid based developers when mixed with water undergoes rapid oxidation(no Fenton reaction) compared to MQ/PQ based developers?

No, Moersch ECO 4812 is an extremeley long lasting print developer.
 
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I can admit that the stock solution that caused my failure was in a small (~360ml) bottle that was probably squeezed too much and, even so, still had some air space. I did think it was odd when I clip tested it that the clip didn't darken as much as usual, but figured it must be fine if it was darkening at all. My mistake, my loss, lesson learned. I can't speculate if this was regular oxidation or the "XTOL surprise," but either way, I've not experienced any other developer lose its efficacy this abruptly.

I had the remaining stock of this XTOL, which I mixed in February, stored in a two liter soft drink bottle filled to capacity and stored in the dark. I decanted it last night to smaller bottles (glass and thick plastic). I developed a sheet of T-Max 400 (4x5) in both this remaining XTOL (1+1) and HC-110 (E). I wanted to see not only if the XTOL was still good (it is), but also how the two responded to constant rotary agitation. If anyone's interested, I'll post some examples later. At a glance, though, for all the talk about HC-110 building density to quickly under constant agitation, I'm just not seeing it. I might blow through this remaining XTOL as quickly as possible and then go back to bulletproof HC-110.

Back in business with XTOL. For now. Long term, I don't if it will be good for my nerves.

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If I had to pick which developing agent, ascorbic acid or hydroquinone, was more susceptible to aerial oxidation it would certainly be ascorbic acid. I have some hydroquinone that is over 50 years old that is still fine. However bottles of ascorbic acid powder have turned brown in about a year.
 

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I still have some Metol and a lot of Sodium Carbonate from long ago...wonder how long that last?
 

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I can't recall the last time I used D76. Ii found Ilford's then ID-11 "Plus" better in most respects and primarily used it or Rodinal. I still use ID-11 mostly with 5222 film and 120 but hang on to Rodinal and HC-110 over D76 that's chocked full of Sodium Sulfite.

The jury's still out on Xtol. I'm working with that but haven't given it the green light yet.

They removed the "plus" (basically a silver sequestering agent that improved sharpness some by preventing dissolved silver from replating onto the film) because it caused problems with t-grain films. For practical purposes there's no real difference between ID-11 today and D-76.
 

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I still have some Metol and a lot of Sodium Carbonate from long ago...wonder how long that last?

Metol is also very stable. If the carbonate is the monohydrate then that too is very stable,
 

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I believe the Sodium Carbonate was Anhydrous...IIRC
 

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I believe the Sodium Carbonate was Anhydrous...IIRC

The monohydrate is the form most often encountered. However if it is anhydrous keep it well closed and protested from moisture. It will convert to the monohydrate. The increase in weight will throw some developers formulas a bit off.
 

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It's in the original plastic container. Ii used it primarily to make D-72 and the Beer's #1 and #4 formula.
 
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