Does FR-22 Ring any Bells/

[dancqu]

Dug up some rolls from the early 60s. I noted
they had been processed in 22. IIRC it was
FR-22. Is that correct? Dan

 

[Soeren]

just to ask a dumb question; what does IIRC mean ?
Søren

 

[Ole]

just to ask a dumb question; what does IIRC mean ?
Søren

"If I Remember Correctly". And AFAIK is "As Far As I Know". TTBOMK...

 

[Soeren]

"If I Remember Correctly". And AFAIK is "As Far As I Know". TTBOMK...

I did know the AFAIK but TTBOMK ?
IDK YMMV
Regards Søren

 

[Soeren]

Got it.
To The Best of My Knowledge
I love Acronymfinder

 

[Gerald Koch]

I have some fr X-22, which is a p-aminophenol developer, much like Rodinal.

X-22 was manufactured by Fink and Roselieve. A large company which sold everything from developing tanks to funnels. I was always under the impression that X-22 was similar to the Beutler formula not Rodinal. IIRC, it came in little bottles.

 

[Donald Qualls]

There was also a C-22 process, ancestor to modern C-41 -- X-22 was a B&W developer; C-22 was a complete process for color negatives (original Kodacolor and related products).

 

[voceumana]

I don't believe in acronyms. I believe in typing it out.

Charlie

 

[dancqu]

Hi Dan.
I have some fr X-22, which is a p-aminophenol
developer, much like Rodinal. Could that be the stuff?
Jay

Hello Jay:

That's the stuff. I used that and UFG, Adox KB 14
and 17 during the late 50s and early 60s. A Rodinal
type. I made no notice of that back then. You don't
happen to know when F & R closed up shop? Dan

 

[ChuckP]

I remember those little bottles of X-22. Worked great with Panatomic-x.

 

[Gerald Koch]

I don't have any idea when fr went under. They made all kinds of things, as Gerald noted, and I see their products on the used market quite often. If you'd like, I'd be happy to send you a few bottles.
Jay

Could I mooch a bottle? I'll gladly pay the postage.

Jerry

 

[dancqu]

Hi Dan.

I don't have any idea when fr went under.
They made all kinds of things, as Gerald noted,
and I see their products on the used market quite
often. If you'd like, I'd be happy to send
you a few bottles.
Jay

Thanks Jay. I've plenty of memorabilia and will pass
on that. So it's a little past it's prime. Likely some
eBay'ers will be glad to give it a try. If it goes
that way be sure and mark the sale " as is".

That agent, p-aminophenol, stands alone in Rodinal.
That appeals to my minimalist inclinations. Will it stand
alone as well as metol for film and paper processing? Do
you know of any sulfite and/or carbonate activated
developers which use only p-aminophenol? Dan

 

[Gerald Koch]

Here's a formula published by Kodak for a p-aminophenol film developer for people who were allergic to Metol. Kodelon was the oxalate salt of p-aminophenol. An equal amount of the hydrochloride salt can be substituted.

Distilled water (50°C) ................. 750 ml
Kodelon ................................ 1.5 g
Hydroquinone ........................... 2.0 g
Sodium sulfite (anhy) .................. 50.0 g
Potassium bromide ...................... 2.5 g
Sodium hydroxide ....................... 3.0 g
Distilled water to make ................ 1.0 l

 

[Gerald Koch]

Years ago, when 35mm films are quite grainy, it was common practice to dilute Rodinal with an 8% solution of sodium sulfite. This softened the grain due to the halide solvent effect of the sulfite. This even converted the mixture into a replenishable developer where a ml or so of Rodinal concentrate was added for each roll of film developed.

 

[jasonraphael]

F&R Products

F&R products were widely available in the 50's and 60's. I used the well-known &R hard rubber (or Bakelite?) 4x5 cut film holder for 30 years before switching over to Kodak stainless steel hangers and metal tanks.

Does anyone remember F&R's logo? Hint, it was a silhouette-like icon in F&R light green.

Jason

X-22 was manufactured by Fink and Roselieve. A large company which sold everything from developing tanks to funnels. I was always under the impression that X-22 was similar to the Beutler formula not Rodinal. IIRC, it came in little bottles.

 

[gainer]

Here's a formula published by Kodak for a p-aminophenol film developer for people who were allergic to Metol. Kodelon was the oxalate salt of p-aminophenol. An equal amount of the hydrochloride salt can be substituted.

Distilled water (50°C) ................. 750 ml
Kodelon ................................ 1.5 g
Hydroquinone ........................... 2.0 g
Sodium sulfite (anhy) .................. 50.0 g
Potassium bromide ...................... 2.5 g
Sodium hydroxide ....................... 3.0 g
Distilled water to make ................ 1.0 l

Here's a tropical developer from the 1941 War Department TECHNICAL MANUAL OF BASIC PHOTOGRAPHY:

6.7 grams p-aminophenol.HCL.
50 grams Na2SO3.
50 grams NaCO3
Water to make 1 liter.

7 minutes @ 65 F was recommended for films ot the time, which generally needed more time than current fims, and since the manual was mainly for aerial photography, the recommended time may have produced higher than normal contrast.

 

[jim appleyard]

Just saw this thread and went to double-check the little box/dev kit in the darkroom. Yup, it's FR X-22. I have no idea how old it is and if this stuff is like Rodinal, could it still be any good? Might be worth a test roll.

 

[gainer]

One of the FR developers was among the first to use Phenidone. It came with a "Speed Cup", a 1 oz. measuring cup that was to be used to administer a dose of sodium sulfite to the working solution, which would double the film speed. I don't remember the number. I used a fair amount of it. Strangely, I don't remember having any earlier problems with memory.

 

[Anscojohn]

One of the FR developers was among the first to use Phenidone. It came with a "Speed Cup", a 1 oz. measuring cup that was to be used to administer a dose of sodium sulfite to the working solution, which would double the film speed. I don't remember the number. I used a fair amount of it. Strangely, I don't remember having any earlier problems with memory.

&&&&&
I thought the Speed Cups were the ones with Edwal FG-7. Don't remember any with X-22. There was also an FR X-44. Or was it X-33?

 

[gainer]

You're right. FG-7 it was. My memories are still there. I just forgot where I put them. I keep looking in the wrong drawer.

 

[nworth]

&&&&&
I thought the Speed Cups were the ones with Edwal FG-7. Don't remember any with X-22. There was also an FR X-44. Or was it X-33?

I remember X-22 and X-33. I'm not sure about X-44. I don't have the recipe for X-22, but X-33 has been reported to be:

FR X-33 superfine grain developer
o-phenylenediamine 8 g
Metol 5.5 g
Glycin 1.5 g
Sodium sulfite 80 g
Trisodium phosphate 3 g
Potassium bromide 250 mg
WTM 1 l
Develop about 16 minutes.

 

[sun of sand]

There was an X-44
compensating but I don't think contains "rodinal" ..has HQ
finer grain
higher film speed -about double for all films
for use with faster films primarily
X-22 seems like rodinal with sulfite for finer grain?
less speed increase than x-44 it seems
X-19 "stable concentrated neutral paper developer with excellent blacks.." 1940
X-500 Available Light film developer. Tri-X can be shot 1000-2000 given average lighting conditions
Electronic Flash developer
X-22 also lists directions for developing film shot with flash so the two may not be radically different

 

[Murray Kelly]

Regarding memory, I've been told that there are three ways to know when you're getting old. The first is the memory starts to go, but I can't remember the other two! Bill Cosby also gave this warning signal: "It's when you stoop to pick up something and look around to see what else you can do while you're down there."

I was sure that was Ronnie Corbet! The little Ronnie.

Murray
Brisbane

 

[MarkS]

I remember Zone VI offering a film developer that they claimed to be similar to FR X-22, meant for Pan-X. I never tried it; I don't know if that product survived Z-VI's sale to Calumet, or if they still offer it.

 

[john_s]

Back in the 60's I used one-shot compensating developer FR X-22 for both Adox KB14 (ASA 25, I think) ........................................................

KB14 was 20 ASA. I used it a couple of times in a quest to get the sharpest possible print (before I realised that there was more to it than that).

You had to be careful about contrast: Following developer manufacturers' recommendations guaranteed the contrastiest negs I have ever seen. I still have them: I might get them out and see if I can make a half-decent print from them. I certainly couldn't back then.