Does anyone print Cross processed E-6 in C-41 on RA4? I'm after examples.

hoffy · Dec 9, 2017

Hey folks,

I love me a bit of Cross processing (E-6 processed in C-41) - its my guilty little pleasure and in general I enjoy the scanned results.

I am curious, though, to hear if anyone prints them optically onto RA4 paper. I have read a thread from around 7 years ago but there was only one example image.

If you do, are you able to share your filter pack settings and any example images?

Cheers

MattKing · Dec 9, 2017

He hasn't been around for the last year or so, but jd callow might have done some printing of his cross processed work.

iandvaag · Dec 9, 2017

You can get some super saturated prints. This is something I've been meaning to try. I've seen a few examples posted to APUG:
Flowers photo from Photo Engineer (See post # 10 for the photo)https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/any-way-to-make-analog-prints-from-slides.135674/#post-1772795
Another from Photo Engineer
Road signs from bvy
Pittsburgh on ice by bvy
provia / ra-4 print by bvy
Observer by ericbrueg
Stone Bridge by ericbrueg

I'm sure there are a few more. It sounds like it may help to add a piece of blank, processed C-41 film as a filter to keep the filtration settings in a reasonable range. Try searching "cross RA-4" maybe. Best of luck with your endeavor! If you have success, I'd love to see your results.

bvy · Dec 9, 2017

I do. It's hard to give you any straight fast rules or advice. It's a non-standard process and different films respond in drastically different ways. Also, processing and printing is very much a "to taste" exercise since you've already abandoned color fidelity. Some folks work hard for those green and orange casts which seem representative of the phrase. Others (like me) try to balance to grayscale and let the resulting colors render themselves naturally. Even then, I find my filtrations to be all over the place. That said, I do keep extensive notes and I'm happy to share the filtration values of any of the images mentioned above. Or if you want to see others...

Photo Engineer · Dec 9, 2017

I used to use EPP all the time for this. Exposed at 100, I think (a long time ago) and straight process. Print to optimum.

PE

hoffy · Dec 10, 2017

Thanks for the replies. The idea is at the "I wonder if" stage for me. I enjoyed colour printing, but gave it up after my last lot of chems went bad a few years ago.

BVY, do you have any more examples online? Unfortunately, for now, I'm not a subscriber here anymore.

Ed Sawyer · Dec 10, 2017

I will do it before long, with aerochrome. I have some blank shhets of regular c41 to add the orange mask.

bvy · Dec 10, 2017

Ed Sawyer said:
I will do it before long, with aerochrome. I have some blank shhets of regular c41 to add the orange mask.

Not sure I understand the advantage of doing this. Adds density, another place for dust to gather, and if you lose the mask and want to do reprints at some later date, you'll have to refigure your filtration.

Photo Engineer · Dec 10, 2017

I just print straight with no orange mask and add CC filters to adjust.

PE

bvy · Dec 10, 2017

hoffy said:
Thanks for the replies. The idea is at the "I wonder if" stage for me. I enjoyed colour printing, but gave it up after my last lot of chems went bad a few years ago.

BVY, do you have any more examples online? Unfortunately, for now, I'm not a subscriber here anymore.

Expired Provia 100F. 20C+100Y

Expired Ektachrome 100 Plus. 40M+40Y

Expired Provia 100F. 25M+95Y

Expired Provia 100F. 10C+110Y

hoffy · Dec 10, 2017

Ohhh, perfect! So, these are reproductions of the prints? That is what I would love and hope to achieve! And these are without an orange mask?

bvy · Dec 10, 2017

hoffy said:
Ohhh, perfect! So, these are reproductions of the prints? That is what I would love and hope to achieve! And these are without an orange mask?

Right. These are scans of the paper RA-4 prints. No digital corrections. No orange mask used during printing.

perkeleellinen · Dec 11, 2017

Wittner chrome 200D exposed at 100:

Craig · Dec 11, 2017

Look at JD Callow, I consider him the master of cross processing. Some examples here: https://www.photrio.com/forum/media/users/jd-callow.391/

I've done some printing from E100 cross processed an my notes say a filter pack of 70Y 53M on an Omega. The filter pack can vary quite a lot depending on the shot. Some contacts looked best at 60Y20M

Ed Sawyer · Dec 11, 2017

I haven't done it yet, but the orange mask idea was to get the filter pack close to expected with less effort. Also depending on colors needed , without the mask it might require more correction than the head can provide? Hard to guess. Ideally, w/o the mask will be better since indeed it is one more place for dust.

hoffy · Dec 11, 2017

Craig said:
Look at JD Callow, I consider him the master of cross processing. Some examples here: https://www.photrio.com/forum/media/users/jd-callow.391/

I've done some printing from E100 cross processed an my notes say a filter pack of 70Y 53M on an Omega. The filter pack can vary quite a lot depending on the shot. Some contacts looked best at 60Y20M

Awww, geez, you guys are trying to get me to subscribe again, aren't you!

From the thumb nails, these look quite good. I have to admit, I am teetering on getting another RA4 kit and some fresh paper! I need to complete my current printing project first....

Cheers

Craig · Dec 11, 2017

If you can find any, EPT cross processes quite nicely.

hoffy · Dec 11, 2017

My most out there has been:

Fords Son by Ashley Hoff, on Flickr

This was on some weird Fuji Velvia film that I got as a sample once from someone selling oddball films.
I do wonder how this would print!

bvy · Dec 11, 2017

hoffy said:
My most out there has been:

Fords Son by Ashley Hoff, on Flickr

This was on some weird Fuji Velvia film that I got as a sample once from someone selling oddball films.
I do wonder how this would print!

What are we looking at exactly? What happened to the film?

hoffy · Dec 11, 2017

That is how it scanned! I really have no idea what it was, except for weird! I did find some other examples online from the person selling it and they looked exactly the same! I have to admit, I hated it to start off with, but grew to love and nearly crave it. I did try and contact the seller a few months ago to see if they had any left, but I never got a response.

When I get a chance (I am currently at work), I'll find some more examples and what the film exactly was.

As for more traditional xpro, this is the stuff I have been doing. I'd love this to translate to optical prints if I can (but am not fussed if it doesn't look exactly the same):
Shot on Sensia 200

Vented by Ashley Hoff, on Flickr

Shot on Ektachrome 64T

60s GTS by Ashley Hoff, on Flickr

bvy · Dec 11, 2017

I had something similar happen -- also (interestingly) with film bought second hand. Don't know what happened here either but I kind of like it. Ektachrome 100 Plus in C-41. RA-4 print.

hoffy · Dec 11, 2017

This was the film:
http://www.labeauratoire.com/film/VRVM/vrvm.html

jd callow · Dec 12, 2017

I have made many (thousands) RA4 prints from xprocessed negs (e6 in c41 chems). All (i think) of my images on this site are from ra4 prints. As nice as you may like them scanned there is something really special about an RA4 print from a xproccesd neg created the old fashioned way (under an enlarger). The curves of the two materials are horribly mis matched which creates a very unique image. It is likely that that same uniqueness could be achieved from a scan of the neg, but I've never pursued that. To make the resulting neg printable I would take the picture with on camera filtration (20-40cc magenta for kodak eXXX materials as an example). In my experience some films don't require much filtration(EPP, EPT) and some require not only filtration but special attention to processing (all fujichromes benefit from a magenta filter, slight over exposure and substantial pull processing). In addition, the quality and temperature of light and especially the contrast of the scene can greatly impact the resulting neg's ability to be printed. If you feel this is a viable pursuit I would recommend testing the shit out of a a single film to figure out what works best for your shooting style and subjects.

bvy · Dec 12, 2017

jd callow said:
I have made many (thousands) RA4 prints from xprocessed negs (e6 in c41 chems). All (i think) of my images on this site are from ra4 prints. As nice as you may like them scanned there is something really special about an RA4 print from a xproccesd neg created the old fashioned way (under an enlarger). The curves of the two materials are horribly mis matched which creates a very unique image. It is likely that that same uniqueness could be achieved from a scan of the neg, but I've never pursued that. To make the resulting neg printable I would take the picture with on camera filtration (20-40cc magenta for kodak eXXX materials as an example). In my experience some films don't require much filtration(EPP, EPT) and some require not only filtration but special attention to processing (all fujichromes benefit from a magenta filter, slight over exposure and substantial pull processing). In addition, the quality and temperature of light and especially the contrast of the scene can greatly impact the resulting neg's ability to be printed. If you feel this is a viable pursuit I would recommend testing the shit out of a a single film to figure out what works best for your shooting style and subjects.

First, welcome back. I'm not sure we've seen you in a while...

Second, you hit on something that I've questioned or suspected for a while -- that cross-processing to achieve "that look" is a managed process from start (shooting) to finish (darkroom). In other words, it's not just send your E-6 to the C-41 lab and scan or print it in the usual way (though that's what I do, and I like my results for different reasons).

Was shooting with a magenta filter in front of the lens a common strategy for cross-processing in the days before digital? Your results are the closest I've seen to what these hipster "Xpro" and "Process" filters try to simulate.

hoffy · Dec 12, 2017

Thanks for popping in jd. In regards to filtration with the film, did you find that there was too much of a colour cast without using it?

Cheers

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