Does 16mm photograph camera use double perf or single perf film

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Hello,

I got email from ORWO related site and 100 feet is 35 dollars for single or double perf 16mm cinema bw 100 asa film. I am thinking to buy 16mm camera and dont know the answer ?

Thank you,
Mustafa Umut Sarac
Istanbul

 

[railwayman3]

Are you thinking of buying a 16mm still camera (e.g. Minolta, or similar) ?

 

[Europan]

http://www.subclub.org/shop/16mm.htm

Early movie cameras are built or equipped for film perforated along both edges.
Some are easily converted to single-perf. film, others not. The Zeiss Movikon 16 needs 2-r. film, the claw is on the left side, seen from behind the camera towards scene.

With the Paillard-Bolex H-16 it is a matter of exchanging the two sprocket drums, Bolex International still has both types ready. A technician should do that because the drums must be adjusted in two directions.

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Hello,

I want to buy a 16mm still camera. I think minolta is good but I have to search for others. I want to learn does still camera uses two or one perf.
My english works like above , not better.

Thank you,
Umut

 

[darkroommike]

Earlier Minoltas had a slightly smaller aperture window and could use either single of double perf film without the perforations intruding into the image area, later Minoltas used a slightly larger "window" and needed single perf film to keep the sprocket holes out of the images. I believe all Minoltas can use single perf but not sure about other makes of sub mini camera. Look for original Minolta cassettes, the Al Doyle cassettes on Ebay are junk.

 

[ciniframe]

Don't know how available Minolta film cartridges are where you live but the Minolta 16 line up does not need any perfs at all to advance the film. But as mentioned, the later MGs model and QT model have a larger frame size, 12X17mm I think, and double perf will intrude into the frame area. By far the Minolta 16II is the most available on ebay and is a simple, reliable camera. The Minolta cartridge is the easiest to reload. The limit of the 16II is it's fixed focus lens. It has a 3 element 3 group 22mm f2.8 lens that is factory set to 2.5 meters. The frame size of all Minolta 16mm cameras except the MGs and QT is 10X14mm. To change focus Minolta sold supplementary lenses to fit over the prime lens. The #0 lens is a -.25 diopter and brings focus to 10 meters, the #1 lens brings focus to 1.3 meters and the #2 to .75 meters. These three lenses are almost essential to effectively use the 16II. The most common problem found on the 16II is broken or missing front viewfinder windows. Check carefully before you buy. The Russians also built a 16mm still camera. They can use Minolta cartridges and the best one overall is the KIEV 30 (not the 30M), it has a 23mm f3.5 lens that can focus from infinity down to .5 meter. the problem with Russian cameras is variations in quality and you don't know till too late if you have a bad one or a good one. The Kiev 30 has a larger 13X17mm frame size so single or no perf film is needed.

 

[ic-racer]

Very few 16mm still cameras us the sprocket holes to advance the film. Many can use unperforated film and have winding mechanisms designed to compensate for the ever growing take-up spool diameter.

Depending on the size of the film gate, some 16mm still cameras will expose over the holes in double-perf film.
The older silver Minolta 16mm cameras are metal mechanical marvels with full aperture and shutter speed control. And they do focus as mentioned above. However, the image is not much larger than Minox format.

 

[guangong]

Minolta 16 cameras , as stated above,do not need perfs. Rather than buying rolls of 16mm film a simpler solution is to acquire a film slitter. Although I do a bit of cinematography I never considered using 16mm movie film for Minolta. With regard to comparing Minox with Minolta, everything in miniature photography is relative and a Minolta frame is much larger. With me, the choice depends more on what I feel I have room to carry...as if carrying nothing: Minox;carrying something very small:Minolta. Something somewhat larger but handy...an Olympus xa (light) or Rollei 35 (heavy). Of course, as anyone reading apug soon realizes, which camera is really a personal preference...even build quality.