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Why is it so darned hard for people to simply play safe and responsibly? What skin comes off your backs by simply bottling the stuff and taking it in with all the other household crap that you have to take in anyhow? Do you chuck your batteries and broken $20 DVD players in the trash bin as well? Paint cans? Oily rags? Motor oil filters? This is all stuff that we all must properly dispose of. Just take your photo waste in with it. How hard is it? Every little bit that each of us can do helps.
 

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Working up straw men and shouting out irrelevant comparisons when running out of arguments (against well considered facts given by experts on the field) is easier than understanding (which can be very demanding). Always seen in these threads, and certainly does nothing good for any purpose, even if you were completely right.

However, there were some good advice before we arrived at this point with no return; I have to agree that when you are not sure you understand it right, play it safe. And, when you are not sure whom to trust, play it safe. You cannot go much wrong by playing it safe. You can play it safe without finding out the real facts, and usually this will be the case as the facts can be very time-consuming and difficult to find.

But remember that playing safe instead of finding out the real facts is also the principle authorities follow - of course, for cost savings and because of responsibility issues. It's just easier to make a "safe" assumption. But it's not the final truth.

For example, my local authorities demand me to bring my final wash containing one drop of wetting agent to hazardous waste center, because it is a photo chemical, and all photo chemistry is hazardous waste if I ask them. They do it because it's easier for them, and will free them from any responsibility. Still, do you think they are right?

However, I know very well that I do a favor for nature by using the sewer pipeline system to dispose my final wash water containing one drop of wetting agent, instead of using even a slightest bit of fossil fuels for transport, or any evaporation energy at hazardous waste processing center, for this kind of waste. Water usually does good for the system. Chemicals are case-by-case.

Selenium toner is of course a different beast compared to my final wash, but I wanted to show you this example to show that the darkroom user can base his/her decision on real facts, not just regulations. Even Kodak is talking about RECOMMENDATIONS.

Make your own decision based on these considerations.

FWIW, if I used selenium toner, I would collect it and bring it to hazardous waste center, but wouldn't make it a big deal on internet forums. Moreover, I understand this is not completely black and white (or grade 5 :wink:); even if I collect it, there will still be carryover of the selenium toner in wash water, unless you collect also all of your wash water, including when you wash your equipment, trays etc. If you don't collect it, you are already making an assumption that the system will tolerate a low, but certain amount of selenium toner; you are drawing the line without the real knowledge anyway! So, even if you are playing it safe, the information given by Gerald and Ian should be considered valuable also for you.
 
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Commercial disposal of photographic chemicals is all fully licensed, however the normal methods of treatment are removal of silver from any silver bearing wastes, adjustment of pH - usually mixing spent developers with fixer/bleach fix and then dilution as it's disposed of to the sewer.

Talking to one chief chemist he preferred (photo) chemicals be treated and disposed of at the site their used at where possible, of course with permission, in fact they issued a letter of consent for smaller photo labs because a full license requires regular sampling and testing of discharges.

Water treatment authorities are worried about the levels of chemicals in the sewage/water reaching their plants, the volumes used in non commercial darkrooms are of no consequence to them.

There's a lot of poor information on Seleniun and humans/animals. Selenium deficiency is can cause health problems many people take Selenium supplements, in addition it's used in agriculture often as a fertiliser to increase the selenium levels in grass used for grazing animals.

So you need to weigh up your options for disposal of Selenium toner, some areas allow disposal to the sewer others accept it for hazardous chemical disposal.

However there's an entirely green way to dispose of your spent Selenium toner, filter it to remove the silver sludge, dilute it well and use it to water your house plants, it's great fertiliser :D

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makes a great weed killer lol

Some people use it to water their vegetables, they thrive.

I won't advocate that because technically it's illegal in some areas as it's deemed to be able to soak into a water course :D

It's most certainly not a weed killer :smile:

Ironically photo waste can save some treatment authorities money as bleach/bleach fix from colour processing contains Ferric EDTA a chemical they often add to help with water treatment.

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How do you know there isn't much left? And then what do you do with these 'throw away prints' that have all the selenium in them?

The same thing that most people do with the non-throw-away prints that are selenium toned (how did you think the toner became exhausted with use?): put them in a box in the back of the closet for a few years, and then eventually toss them into the trash. Ann's method just speeds up and simplifies this process, by eliminating the storage step :smile:

At some point it will occur to most of us that if discarding toned prints in the trash is OK, then drying out the exhausted toner and putting the residue into the trash is probably acceptable as well.
 
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