DISCONTINUED KODAK (Chemistry products)

clayne · Oct 30, 2009

mgb74 said:
and then lists a number of chemicals. But click on the link (provided by PF) to Kodak's announcement and you find that the majority of these chemicals are not being discontinued, only discontinued in specific sizes. So I think they could have been more accurate in their announcement.

Yep. That was pretty much my issue. It also makes the issue more gloomier than it really sounds - and I don't like the negatives *that* might cause.

epatsellis · Oct 30, 2009

Am I the only one really bummed about D76R?

sfadam · Oct 30, 2009

what really sucks for me is the loss of the small fixer packages to make 1 liter! i don't go through enough fixer to make a gigantic jug of it! arrghhhh

also no more selectol soft?

Photo Engineer · Oct 30, 2009

Well, I have a Selectol Soft formula that I could pass on to the Formulary.

Without companies like this, where would we get stuff when Kodak quits offering them?

PE

CBG · Oct 30, 2009

The Formulary's mailing said, for example, that D76 was discontinued, not that just certain sizes would be. Same goes for much of the other items. I would have thought they'd be more careful with their wording.

nickrapak · Oct 30, 2009

sfadam said:
what really sucks for me is the loss of the small fixer packages to make 1 liter! i don't go through enough fixer to make a gigantic jug of it! arrghhhh

As a replacement for the fixer, buy a bottle of Kodafix solution, and mix a batch for each use. If you keep air out of the container, the remaining stock solution can last up to a year.

clayne · Oct 30, 2009

Photo Engineer said:
Well, I have a Selectol Soft formula that I could pass on to the Formulary.

Without companies like this, where would we get stuff when Kodak quits offering them?

PE

You're absolutely correct PE. Don't get me wrong. I use and support PF products whole heartedly. Just thought they could have worded things to be a bit more accurate. Joe Blow lab guy might not be so discerning and go spreading rumours.

Yes I'm bummed about selectol as well.

Anon Ymous · Oct 31, 2009

epatsellis said:
Am I the only one really bummed about D76R?

Time to mix your own then, it's a published formula.

RalphLambrecht · Oct 31, 2009

epatsellis said:
Am I the only one really bummed about D76R?

If you use D76 one shot, you get consistent results without needing D76R.

Tom Kershaw · Oct 31, 2009

Ralph,

There have been various threads recently on the benefits of replenished developers, specifically XTOL; what are your views on replenishment?

Tom

RalphLambrecht · Oct 31, 2009

Tom Kershaw said:
Ralph,

There have been various threads recently on the benefits of replenished developers, specifically XTOL; what are your views on replenishment?

Tom

Tom

I have no experience with replenishing developers. I prefer the one-shot developer method for consistency. I do the same with fixer but use the two-bath fixing method. At $6 per roll of film, the processing cost due to chemicals is a minor factor in my opinion. Having the consistency of fresh chemicals is more important to me. The only film processing chemical I reuse is the hypo-clearing agent.

epatsellis · Oct 31, 2009

Ralph,
I generally use D-76 one shot for about 50% of my film (mostly in a W-L Pro 6 processor), about 35% HC110 (G) , but for some images, mostly shot on TXP, souping in replenished D76 gives me much better highlight separation. Well seasoned D76 has a diffferent look, totally different than using it one shot.

While it's not the end of the world, I can mix my own, it's just enough of a pain to make me pause and rethink and consider recalibrating my entire process and eliminating replenishment altogether.

Mahler_one · Oct 31, 2009

David A. Goldfarb said:
Perceptol is a fine product. If Delta 400 came in sheet sizes, I'd use Delta 400 at EI 200 in Perceptol all the time.

David...just a quick question....does Delta 400 differ that much from HP5? I realize the Delta is NOT available in sheets, but just curious.

Photo Engineer · Oct 31, 2009

CBG said:
The Formulary's mailing said, for example, that D76 was discontinued, not that just certain sizes would be. Same goes for much of the other items. I would have thought they'd be more careful with their wording.

Please see the OP and the follow up referenced PDF that gives detials. The Formulary did the same thing by listing the chemistry in the OP and giving a reference to the PDF. So what should they do, laboriously type in the details of the PDF, cut copy and paste, or what? They took the same route taken here of giving a summary and a reference to details.

Even so, many APUG members misquoted the actual PDF after reading it stating that Photo Flo was discontinued and etc. So having the data in front of you does not guarantee that you read it correctly.

If the Formulary had done it exactly the way everyone wanted, I'll bet the membership would be complaining about the length of their web page or the format of the explanation. And, there would still be misquotes of the original PDF hanging around.

I think it sufficient to say that they are trying to help. I know I won't have to worry about where I can get chemistry when I need it for B&W products.

And, as for Kodak doing this. Remember again that Champion may have "done this" and informed Kodak. And remember too that it was done due to lagging sales.

PE

Tim Gray · Oct 31, 2009

Photo Engineer said:
So having the data in front of you does not guarantee that you read it correctly.

Sometimes I think it only guarantees that it will be misread.

RalphLambrecht · Oct 31, 2009

epatsellis said:
...Well seasoned D76 has a diffferent look, totally different than using it one shot.

While it's not the end of the world, I can mix my own, it's just enough of a pain to make me pause and rethink and consider recalibrating my entire process and eliminating replenishment altogether.

I understand. Changes are always a hassle. I hate them too.

'Well seasoned' and 'one shot' are not mutually exclusive. I think you may be adding a separate issue.

Photo Engineer · Oct 31, 2009

JBrunner said:
This just in:

http://www.photoformulary.com/images/Kodak discontinues chemistry-linked.pdf

Jason;

How did you find this reference?

I cannot find a link to it on the Formulary site. I can only find the primary reference on the first page that goes to the DR5 information.

Thanks.

PE

Ian Grant · Oct 31, 2009

It was posted before here on APUG, yesterday.

Ian

Photo Engineer · Oct 31, 2009

Ian Grant said:
It was posted before here on APUG, yesterday.

Ian

Yes, by Jason. But there is no reference to it at the Formulary site that I could find and Jason's post is the only source.

So, I was wondering how to find it or where to find it. (the original source)

PE

dwross · Oct 31, 2009

Photo Engineer said:
Yes, by Jason. But there is no reference to it at the Formulary site that I could find and Jason's post is the only source.

So, I was wondering how to find it or where to find it. (the original source)

PE

I got the message as an email from the Formulary yesterday. I very much appreciated getting it and in such a timely fashion. That kind of information is exactly what's needed -- loud and clear and often -- to counteract the defeatism about the future of analog that can grow each time a product is discontinued. Three cheers for Photographers' Formulary.

d

epatsellis · Oct 31, 2009

RalphLambrecht said:
I understand. Changes are always a hassle. I hate them too.

'Well seasoned' and 'one shot' are not mutually exclusive. I think you may be adding a separate issue.

My understanding is that replenished D76 accumulates bromides which act as a restrainer to some degree, ergo well seasoned can be used one shot only so much, once you've used up your stash you're done. "Well seasoned" means for me at least 100 or so sheets of 4x5, with replenishment of course. At that point, the developer stabilizes and gets as consistent as gravity, in my experience.

One photographer I worked for years ago tried to explain to me why my negs didn't' have the same look as his, and alot of it had to do with one shot D76 vs. replenished.

erie

Photo Engineer · Oct 31, 2009

It is possible to make a "starter" solution for D76 that forces it to be pre-replenished. This solution would consist of Bromide, Iodide and some D76R to rebalance the chemistry to a replenished condition. It would not be too hard to calculate what this starter should be and then to design one to be added to the D76 itself.

PE

JBrunner · Nov 1, 2009

I received the link in an email, as I am on their "PR list" I posted it to let persons know that their are some like products available that could be somewhat of a replacement for some of the discontinued products. I would hope that persons would be literate (I mean that constructively) enough regarding the list from Kodak to figure out just what those things are. The point is there are other resources for some things. I don't normally personally boost any business, even a sponsor, but in light of discontinued products it seemed appropriate in this thread. As far as adspeak, well, that's almost unavoidable with any smart business.

Photo Engineer · Nov 1, 2009

Very well put Jason. Many thanks. I am not on that list. ....

I didn't know how people ended up directed there. I just saw the few lines on their home page.

PE

SuzanneR · Nov 8, 2009

As mentioned, this is a duplicate thread, so I've closed it for now, and keeping the link to the earlier thread.

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