another one of reasons why i have stayed with film & i must say my best education was spending more than a decade primarily using large format cameras..... coming back to roll film my itchy trigger finger cured.....
The 1000s of captures is pray and spray and the editing is making. Sounds to me like the opposite of zen art.
It saddens me that there's apparently still people who believe we need to draw crude divisions in the community based on choice of technology. What a silly position to take. And what little justice does it do to the choices others make. There can't be much honor or satisfaction in that. A bleak outlook, for sure.
It saddens me that there's apparently still people who believe we need to draw crude divisions in the community based on choice of technology. What a silly position to take. And what little justice does it do to the choices others make. There can't be much honor or satisfaction in that. A bleak outlook, for sure.
{Other Moderator's addition:
@koraks post below reflects a concern shared by many of us respecting a number of responses in this thread.}
It saddens me that there's apparently still people who believe we need to draw crude divisions in the community based on choice of technology. What a silly position to take. And what little justice does it do to the choices others make. There can't be much honor or satisfaction in that. A bleak outlook, for sure.
I severely doubt this was ever the case in the past, and in recent years (since the Photrio merge) this has 100% not been the case. The existence of the A/H/D tags should NOT be misunderstood as an intent on @Sean's behalf (or any of the moderators) to draw such lines through the community. These distinctions ONLY exist because a select few members couldn't cope if we were to get rid of them. If someone mistakenly mis-tags something, we still from time to time get angry reports of disgruntled people because they happened upon something digital while they are bent on only being shown analog content (it's never the other way around). This is the only reason we still have these tags.This was the intent of the admin (website owner) I think
Digital printing is now so good that I think it surpasses what can be achieved in a darkroom. For that reason I intend to use the physical integrity of film, but scan and print through digital. Others may not agree, but I am a taker and have little interest in darkroom printing.
I severely doubt this was ever the case in the past, and in recent years (since the Photrio merge) this has 100% not been the case. The existence of the A/H/D tags should NOT be misunderstood as an intent on @Sean's behalf (or any of the moderators) to draw such lines through the community. These distinctions ONLY exist because a select few members couldn't cope if we were to get rid of them. If someone mistakenly mis-tags something, we still from time to time get angry reports of disgruntled people because they happened upon something digital while they are bent on only being shown analog content (it's never the other way around). This is the only reason we still have these tags.
But you ended up using a computer with a lens or a computer with a point array to digitize the film image then print it with a computer sending data yet to another computer sparying ink on paper. If you use film use all analog process otherwise why bother????
Back in the day when it was apug if you post a post involved digital it would be deleted. It's a pity because the apug community had more knowledge about what I wanted to ask than other forum. Back in the days when I still had my darkroom I want to discuss using scanner as color analyzer. The printing is still RA-4 the scanner is used only to determine the filter settings and exposure. So the APUG community would have much better knowledge than people in other forum yet because it involved scanning it was prohibited.
But you ended up using a computer with a lens or a computer with a point array to digitize the film image then print it with a computer sending data yet to another computer sparying ink on paper. If you use film use all analog process otherwise why bother????
Okay, I'll give you 10 reasons why I "bother" to shoot film, scan and print digitally using a high quality photo printer:
1. I like the perspective, focus, etc, controls that my film cameras offer (120, 4x5, 5x7) when shooting
2. I like the feel and focus that comes with shooting film
3. I can easily process B&W film at home with minimal equipment, setup and hassle
4. Scanning film gives me yet more control to create a high quality digital image file
5. Editing a digital image file (whether a scan or a digital capture) gives me a high degree of control over the final presentation
6. Printing a digital image file provides me with many presentation options
7. No need to procure, operate, maintain equipment and chemistry that would be necessary for a wet darkroom for large prints (16x20+)
8. Immediate printing - no need to mix chemistry, setup, wash and dry trays, clean the sink, and put things away after a printing session
9. Minute changes can be made in my digital image file and it can be quickly reprinted with highly repeatable results
10. When people see my digital prints (B&W or color) on high quality photo paper, no one has ever asked me "how did you print this?'
Amen + archival permanence is now very good when using the right papers.
Points 4 through 10 apply to digital as well, pretty much exclusively digital attributes.Okay, I'll give you 10 reasons why I "bother" to shoot film, scan and print digitally using a high quality photo printer:
1. I like the perspective, focus, etc, controls that my film cameras offer (120, 4x5, 5x7) when shooting
2. I like the feel and focus that comes with shooting film
3. I can easily process B&W film at home with minimal equipment, setup and hassle
4. Scanning film gives me yet more control to create a high quality digital image file
5. Editing a digital image file (whether a scan or a digital capture) gives me a high degree of control over the final presentation
6. Printing a digital image file provides me with many presentation options
7. No need to procure, operate, maintain equipment and chemistry that would be necessary for a wet darkroom for large prints (16x20+)
8. Immediate printing - no need to mix chemistry, setup, wash and dry trays, clean the sink, and put things away after a printing session
9. Minute changes can be made in my digital image file and it can be quickly reprinted with highly repeatable results
10. When people see my digital prints (B&W or color) on high quality photo paper, no one has ever asked me "how did you print this?'
Points 4 through 10 apply to digital as well, pretty much exclusively digital attributes.
Points 1 & 2 are not exclusive to film.
Ponit 10. Have you ever been able to compare for yourself the same image printed in a darkroom vs. inkjet at home?
CongratulationsPoint 10. Yes and inkjet is as good if not better.
Points 4 through 10 apply to digital as well, pretty much exclusively digital attributes.
Points 1 & 2 are not exclusive to film.
Ponit 10. Have you ever been able to compare for yourself the same image printed in a darkroom vs. inkjet at home?
The fact that many of my points apply equally to film or digital is part of the point.
Then why not just shoot digital?
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