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They certainly have their own place.
What do you think "a place" etc means? Academic? Galleries? Why would having such place be significant?
Aren't today's most artistic photographers already digital?
I was at the Getty Museum in Los Angeles last week. Beautiful architecture. In any case, they had a photo gallery of older prints, most were film and printed chemically, from Weegee to Walker Evans (see below). There may have been digital, but I don;t recall seeing any.
I doubt there is a "special place" for analog prints because in the end a print is a print and how the image got there is of little to no artistic worth. The print alone is what matters.
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hi cliveh
i think its always had its place but its always had an identity issue.
since the beginnings of the photographic medium, photography has attempted
to be painting and printmaking and motion picture stills and memories and invention
and everything to everybody. i'm not sure today is any different except that while
the digital media has picked up where the "brownie" left off, film and paper based photography
is going backwards, and in true form to itself, forwards at the same time.
i think its always had its place but its always had an identity issue.
since the beginnings of the photographic medium, photography has attempted
to be painting and printmaking and motion picture stills and memories and invention
and everything to everybody. i'm not sure today is any different except that while
the digital media has picked up where the "brownie" left off, film and paper based photography
is going backwards, and in true form to itself, forwards at the same time.
Yes.
I understand your point and agree to a certain extent. Of course, some prints and photo have historical context. So analog prints have value beyond the aesthetics and content. Looking at Walker Evans original shots printed chemically in 1929 has more value than looking at some digital copy. I don't have to visit the Getty Museum for that, just look it up on the web. You could look at the Mona Lisa on the web too. But not the same as standing in front of the original painting and smiling back at it.
They always were. Nothing has changed. Did status of paintings changed after invention of photography?
A place? Amongst photographers in general and in the culture.
If you let them they would have a place in your home.
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Good point. Can you name me a few digital artistic photographers? I can't think of any.
I don't know. An oil painting is a reproduction of sorts just as a digital or film print is, but they are different mediums with different qualities and appeal.
I think how the image got there is of tremendous artistic worth. A reproduction of Picasso's work is not the same as his painting. How it got there matters.
Nonsense!
See Photrio's "Photographers" ... you've apparently been homebound for a decade or three.
I would mention Salgado but there's a lot of jealousy on Photrio around him.
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It's hard to know where art as an object is heading. The generation coming up rapidly consumes media, so focusing on a single object is already unappealing. For example, I see teens now (including mine) playing a videogame on 1/2 their screen, chatting in chat room on the other 1/2 of the screen, a TV show playing on a screen in the background while headphones on listening to music. Everything is screens and multi-tasking and any interest in art seems it must be social and interactive. I could be wrong, but art as an object could be on the endangered list?
Okay... it's hard to argue that point. You did use an exclamation point, after all.
If you think paintings are much different because they can be abstract or are more subject to the artist's imagination, then maybe you just haven't seen the same photos I've seen.
In any case, you can paint a tree, or you can photograph one. A photographer may have a harder time photographing a dragon, yet I see them in motion pictures often. There are lots of visual media, all reproducing (or communicating, if you like that better) the artist's vision so others can see what's in his head.
Sadly, no one wants to see what's in my head.
Can't help with that "ease" issue. If you've been following "Photographers" but you may have noticed https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/rip-harold-feinstein.125968/
I need to admit that my knowledge of great photographers comes mostly from galleries rather than photo fan magazines.
IMO you're defining "worth" according to your own value system. That's OK but it may blinker your vision by imposing that value system on the work of photographers generally. What's the worth of a Picasso photo? HCB didn't print...why is the work of his photolab thought to be more valuable than a fine photocopy. Same with Ansel Adams...most of the prints in circulation were made by a big photolab that specialized in top tier work.
Hi jtk, that is pretty much what I'm talking about. Would you pay the same for one of Adams' prints from his photo lab as you would for a Xerox copy made by me?
When I say worth, I am talking about market value. But you are right that the definition of "worth" can be much more subjective. Most of the valuable things in my life have nothing to do with market value.
I maybe just maybe for the small group.
But to most people, a print is a print. Digital can also do long exposures handheld / spinning the camera and multiple exposures. You can also use more post processing than just minor tweaks.
But to most people, a print is a print. Digital can also do long exposures handheld / spinning the camera and multiple exposures. You can also use more post processing than just minor tweaks.
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