Developer with ortho-Phenylendiamin

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Hi,
is there a b/w developer beside W665 that uses ortho-Phenylendiamin?
 

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I am not aware of any commercially packaged developer with o-Phenylenediamine, but there's a patent full of formulas with it. Not exactly sure how useful they are ...
 

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Edwal 32 non-staining superfine grain developer:

Water...............................................900ml
Metol.................................................12g
Fine grain sulphite........................90g
Ortho-phenylenediamine...........12g
Sodium bisulphite..........................10g
Water to make...................................1L

Good for subjects having strong contrast.
Increase time by about 6% for each subsequent film.
 

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Can anyone tell me what is the shelf life of W665 developer. And whether it is reusable?
 
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Can anyone tell me what is the shelf life of W665 developer. And whether it is reusable?

Yes, Windisch wrote that W665 is reusable (15 films per 1l) and W665 should be stored in a almost full bottle.
 
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'fine grain sulphite' means sodium sulphite?

Increasing time is not so practical for film calibration ... do you know how a way to replenish Edwal-32?
 

Alan Johnson

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It may be of interest to try it with ascorbate, as in Jay DeFehr's Halcyon which uses PPD:
 

Alan Johnson

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'fine grain sulphite' means sodium sulphite?

Increasing time is not so practical for film calibration ... do you know how a way to replenish Edwal-32?

I found it in this book, p16, p38. I don't think there is a replenisher.
 
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Replacing PPD by OPD doesn't work.
 
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Why not try to make one new developer with o-phenylenediamine out of scratch? My serious request to you experienced friends here.
 

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You realise that these were abandoned after the discoveries of [Henn?] of more dermatologically safe alternatives?

But I have read that OPD is safer than PPD and used as an ingredient for hair dyes in some countries?
 

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You realise that these were abandoned after the discoveries of [Henn?] of more dermatologically safe alternatives?

Henn's work on D-23/ D-25/ Microdol seems to have killed research (at least from the big names - Kodak, Dupont etc) into PPD in B&W fine-grain developers pretty stone-dead at about the same point his colleagues were producing CD-3/ CD-4.
 
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