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Developer Using Tylenol Tablets


Patrick Gainer's "Begone Fog" sidebar in the Unblinking Eye "Appreciating Rodinal" page claims that p-aminophenol and ascorbic acid do form a superadditive pair. I don't know what the optimum proportions are for that effect, though. Determining that might help optimize the Tylenol Developer formula.

In any event, the end result of this formula should be very similar to Rodinal with ascorbic acid added, although I've not checked on the precise proportions of the various components.
 
I'm not sure of carbonate can be used, as tbe purpose of the hydroxide is to hydrolize the acetyl group from the Acetaminophen molecule. I can try it, though.

The main problem with experimentation is that I need to wait a few hours after each test to allow the NaOH to react ...
 
Ok, I've developed some Fuji Neopan 400, exposed @ about ISO 350. I developed in the second mix for 13 minutes at about 65º - 68ºF. I do not know the exact temperature. The negatives are very thin, but there are certainly images present. The detail is excellent all over, and acutance and shapness are excellent. I'm not sure if the images are printable, though they're certiantly recoverable digitally.

I'm letting a new formula react:

+300ml water
+5 acetaminpophen tablets (650mg each, total of 3.25g acetaminophen)
+1 teaspoon NaOH
+50ml of solution of 1L water with 1 tbsp of boric acid
+250mg ascorbic acid
 
Another film update: I shot a roll of Fomapan 400, all of a single subject, with the intention of developing short strips of the roll in Tylenol Developer and two or three others for comparison purposes. My first strip, in PC-Glycol, came out as I'd expected. Next up was Tylenol Developer, which was a fresh batch I'd whipped up about eight hours earlier. I guesstimated a 1:1 dilution for 14:00 at 20C. When I looked at the film, I was very disappointed; it was foggy, with what I initially took to be no image, but when I examined the film more closely, I could barely make out an image.

In case I'd goofed when mixing up the developer, I did a simple test of developer activity: I did a side-by-side snip test, with a snip of Fomapan 400 and a snip of Ilford Pan F+, both in a 1:1 dilution of the same batch of Tylenol Developer. The Ilford Pan F+ began to darken at about 1:30 and was almost completely black by 3:00, but the Fomapan 400 took about twice as long to darken. Thus, I don't think the developer was "bad" (in the sense of different from the batch I tested yesterday). Instead, my conclusion is that this developer is completely unsuitable for Fomapan 400, at least at 1:1 dilution. Increasing the development time might bring out a printable image, but it would also no doubt make that base fog, which is already hideous, much worse. I don't know why the Ilford Pan F+ produced decent images but the Fomapan 400 didn't. Perhaps some changes to the formula would make it workable with the Fomapan, but I don't know enough about the chemistry to know what to suggest.
 
Not sure what it is, but as long as it contains acetaminophen, I'm assuming it could work. I'd try it out, as we're looking for experimentation here.
 
Posted by DonaldQualls on 06.12.2005 somwhere else


And a followup posting on 14.02.2006
 
htmlguru4242 said:
The ascoric acid in this formula was only added to keep the pH down. I didn't want to run film through the soluton of pH 12 ...
This is what people do routinely when they develop film in Rodinal. Agfa gives the pH of the working solution 1+25 as 11.55 the concentrate has a pH of 14! Adding ascorbic acid or any other acid to any conc pap developer will seriously compromise it's developing capability.
 
htmlguru4242 said:
tbe purpose of the hydroxide is to hydrolize the acetyl group from the Acetaminophen molecule
Exactly! Carbonates will not work.