Develop 110 using the old-school Kodak 35 mm apron?

[jay moussy]

As I found a Minolta 430E (*) in the electronic discard at the dump (don't tell, no supposed to pick!),
I should get me a couple of 110 cartridges and use the camera.

One developing technique I read uses a 135 film as support, to load onto a typical135 reel.

I happen to have an old-school Kodak 135 tank and matching apron. Can I just replicate the 135-as-support, attaching the 110 strip to the apron, and in the Kodak daylight tank?

(*) the Minolta seems operational, uses AA battery, and only the film transport gears needed a gentle push to come alive.

 

[Donald Qualls]

If you want to spend $20, I can put you in touch with a fellow who sells a 3D printed 16mm reel compatible with a Paterson tank. I'm actually surprised he's not a member here; I ran into him on Submini-L mailing list.

 

[ic-racer]

You can probably make a 16mm reel from a plastic 35mm reel by cutting it and gluing it back together. The film strips are pretty short and usually can be pushed onto a solid reel, without having to 'walk' it on.

 

[mgb74]

Those Kodak film aprons use "dimples" on the edge to keep the image area of the film from contacting the apron plastic.Not sure how your plan would keep the 110 film from touching the apron and preventing the free flow of chemicals.

 

[AgX]

As indicated just above, I do not understand what you mean by "replicate".
As your are into tinkering, yes if you can make yourself an apt apron and apt holder. But as Jobo made an apt apron and apt spiral reel, you could use either of these, or modify a 35mm Jobo spiral reel.

 

[voceumana]

You could always buy one of these: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/895914-REG/Yankee_rfc_15t_Clipper_II_Roll_Film.html

It adjusts to 16mm, the width of 110 film. Probably worth the investment if you do much developing of 110 film.

 

[AgX]

First time hear of this tank, interesting.

 

[MattKing]

That's extremely similar to the first tank with reel that I had - back in the late 1960s.
Sadly, it doesn't appear to have the combination thermometer and rotary agitator that came with mine - the one with a temperature scale too small to permit reading any temperature with better than 5F accuracy.

 

[voceumana]

The similar tank was probably an Ansco--I had one of those with the thermometer/agitator rod. Yes, the temp scale was too small to really use. That, and the scale was on a card attached to the thermometer, so it had the potential to be misaligned.

Jobo had a reel that will handle 16mm, but I suspect it is no longer available, but in any case, they want a lot for it--about $50 now. Probably better built, but the Yankee is probably OK if handled gently.

 

[AgX]

That Jobo reel was a modified 35/60mm reel.

 

[xya]

you can easily make a 16mm reel yourself from a standard cheap jobo reel. I have done it here http://www.subcompactcam.com/110_16mm_jobo_reel_diy.htm

 

[Donald Qualls]

You could always buy one of these: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/895914-REG/Yankee_rfc_15t_Clipper_II_Roll_Film.html

It adjusts to 16mm, the width of 110 film. Probably worth the investment if you do much developing of 110 film.

Two things to know about the Clipper II (well, three). First, the current version with the black upper reel plate is apparently very poorly made -- molds wearing out or whatever, but avoid it. The older one with the clear plastic upper plate seems fine. Second thing to know, however, is that this tank cannot be inverted; there's no means to keep the solution in the tank if you tip it too far, so you can only agitate by either twisting the reel or sloshing the tank in a circle or figure eight. Third thing is that the only method originally provided to twist the reel was the thermometer that came with these tanks originally, and almost none of the old ones with clear top reel plate still have the thermometer. I know a source for swizzle sticks to fit these, but it's an additional expense and item to order.

If you already have a Paterson tank, it's probably more cost effective to spend $20 to get a 3D printed 16mm reel to fit it, or cut and glue an adjustable reel to make it fit 16mm film.

 

[Agulliver]

Jobo reels are not cheap!

I'd be interested in the 3D printed 16mm reel for Paterson tanks if the fellow can mail to the UK for a reasonable cost.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Not sure what "reasonable cost" might be, but it's a plastic reel, it ought to be lightweight. Alternatively, you can cut down a Paterson reel to (permanently) fit 16mm, if you have spares this would be quicker and cheaper. Otherwise, the maker I know of who does this is Thin Begin, I'll have to get his e-mail and web page address when I'm at home. It appears there are 3D CAD files available on the web for this, too, so you might be able to get one printed more or less locally (in UK, anyway) and avoid international shipping.