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According to some studies humans are capable of 7 facial expressions, namely, anger, sadness, fear, surprise, disgust, contempt and happiness. And that we engage, overall in about 20 variations of them, using them in varying degrees.These expressions are achieved by enacting about 43 various muscles and groups from around the face including forehead, eyes, nasal and mouth. And an interesting fact in all this is that it’s arguably universal and not cultural. Everyone from a lifelong suburbanite in any country to an Amazonian long lost tribesman reads and recognizes them the same. And it’s believed that even babies from the moment they open their eyes can read faces to a certain degree.

Now as a portrait photographer who has been engaged in a number of genres of taking “people pictures” throughout the years, this is something that has been fascinating to me and is probably the reason I got into photography in the first place. How to recognize those expressions, invoke those expressions and how to capture them encompasses my hobby of psychology and my career of photography.

But this thread is more about deadpan. In other words, not using any facial expression at all. And my fascination actually is with people’s response to deadpan pictures. Their willingness and wish to add their own interpretation to what could be described to a “neutral” expression.

In reality expressions is one of two things, an involuntary response, or a well thought out response. For instance, an outburst of a smile vs a fake smile. And although the mouth may be the same in both, the entire expression won’t. Because a real smile uses more than the mouth, it uses the eyes as well and other muscles.

When I first became a questioner of deadpan, was when Avedon, left his NY studio and ventured out into the hinterland and photographed the locals of small towns. In most cases the subject was photographed in high key, with an 8x10 camera while being placed up against a wall, with no expression.

When I saw this after years of photographing people my initial though was, big deal. But when I read glowing reviews from the art world and other places like gallery showings and the book he published like, “he removed the camera and peers deep into the soul of the subject”, I’ll admit I almost threw up. Fucking seriously.

Well to begin with, I don’t think cameras captures peoples’ souls, essence or whatever other hyped up word you can dream up. What they can capture is an ASPECT of a person’s feelings, moods and personality. The rest is just viewer transference.

So I mentally decided to contrast Avedon’s and others deadpan portraits and see what they actually had that a DMV picture, an arrest picture, a passport picture and any other deadpan picture had. When I photographed gangs in the ghetto, actors portfolios, fashion wannabees, and documented people in their environments while in LA I always let people give me what they wanted facially, then I’d say, think of this, or think of that, or give me attitude etc etc. When I photographed family portraits and kids, I also played games with them to get expressions, but that was really just for fun because families don’t really want their kids looking like serial killers, hanging on their walls. So what I usually do is get them to pop the corners of their mouths which affect the eye muscles which removes deadpan. People also don’t want their kids looking miserable, even though they sometimes feel that way.

We have to remember than in the early days of photography people couldn’t “add” facial expression, due to the length of the exposure. So they were always deadpan. And when we see black and white pictures today with deadpan we always seem to add gravitas or importance to it, reading something into it that may or may not be there.

So my question is, why do people look at a particular deadpan picture, rather emotionless and neutral and add their own narrative to it. Is it because the photographer is famous, is it because we know/like/admire the subject, is it because they are using a niftier camera and lens, is it because they are using a certain type of photographic process?

What do you think?
 

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Boredom ==> the model is bored and the viewer is bored.
 
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Deadpan, when done right, does have a certain aesthetic quality. I think it's really up to the photographer, and has nothing to do with the materials, the camera, or anything else. The photographer has to know exactly when to trip the shutter to capture something more than a DMV photo or mug shot. Looking at all the images you attached, the center one by Avedon does stand out from the rest, because there is a certain amount of serenity and relaxation to her pose and expression that is not in the others. The girl against the peach wall, well, you can tell that that's a fashion photo, in part from her expression - she's as deadpan neutral as possible so we forget her and think about the coat. The last one feels like a DMV photo or perhaps a mug shot because of the lighting. Very flat, frontal, even, meant to be as un-dramatic and "realistic" as possible. I think the aesthetic appeal of deadpan is that by having no emotion and no expression, it allows the maximum possibility for viewers to identify with the subject and impose their own thoughts and feelings on the subject. While a portrait showing joy, or rage, might be far more entertaining, it also allows for more dissociation because the viewer may not be feeling that emotion, or perhaps feeling the opposite of that emotion, at the time of viewing. If you're depressed, a joyful face may be a turn-off to you. If you're happy, seeing an expression of wrath may make you feel uncomfortable.
 

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I don't, as I regard Avedon's pictures as deadpan and boring.
 

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I don't know that I'd consider any of those photos truly "deadpan" - when glossing over the muscle groups (targets in our perceptions of facial expressions). They all exhibit some conscious muscle-tone around the eyes and mouths that is not quite deadpan to me; I see active muscle groups. In my opinion, they are all expressing at least some sort of "interest," except perhaps for the woman in the overalls, who seems to be attempting to force a neutral face (you can see the force in the brow-ridge and lower jaw, coming close to a bit of a scowl).

The second and the last seem closest to me. However, the second still shows something around her eyes (and no, I'm not distracted by the contoured brows), and the gentleman in the last photo does well with his eyes (and surrounding area), but is expressing some emotion through his mouth. Otherwise, the corners of their mouths and eyes are definitely interacting, even when they are able to revert to a static tone in the cheeks.

In photos 1, 2 (at the upper lip), 4, and 5 they seem to be enjoying the shoot (I feel #5 enjoyed it the most). The expression of #3 seems successfully "masked" to me, but not deadpan.

Of course, I could merely be reading into it, and perhaps that addresses your question regarding why some people do this. It may simply be human nature to try to read a face, sometimes feeling more compelled to examine and "read" less overt expressions. What is "seen" may betray more about the viewer than of the subject, photographer, or process.
 

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So my question is, why do people look at a particular deadpan picture, rather emotionless and neutral and add their own narrative to it. Is it because the photographer is famous, is it because we know/like/admire the subject, is it because they are using a niftier camera and lens, is it because they are using a certain type of photographic process?

What do you think?

they used to call non smiling portraits "character portraits" didn't they ?
i think without and expression / deadpan / non emotion / non smiling portraits
show more of who the person is .. a grimace, grin, forced expression maybe that does to
but the other seems to me at least to be stripped down. lenses, photographers its all a distraction.
an emotionless portrait ( deadpan ) is like a "street" portrait. someone as they are ... at least to me.
 
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So my question is, why do people look at a particular deadpan picture, rather emotionless and neutral and add their own narrative to it?

Because photography is a conversation between the photographer and the viewer. In the case of a so-called neutral deadpan image, what you are really asking your viewer is "Can you tell me about yourself?" And their resulting narrative is the answer to your question.

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"So my question is, why do people look at a particular deadpan picture, rather emotionless and neutral and add their own narrative to it."

Seems to me that the "added narrative" accompanies most of my experience of living.

Thanks for another thoughtful question about the way we "see".

J
 

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Serious expression=serious photography. Smiley expression=snap, and no-one wants to be considered a snapper, do they? Seems to me that there's sometimes a more than healthy dose of vanity with either a) the photographer - who wishes to proclaim his seriousness as an artist; b) the sitter - who wishes to enhance their coolness, gravitas, meanness or whatever; and c) the 'discerning' viewer - who needs to be seen looking at serious stuff.
 

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I trashed Avedon's style on a different forum already, so no need here. Sometimes he just wore people down till they were haggard, which
was a calculated ploy to catch them off guard and as miserably-looking as possible. Some of the others shots, like in the West, the posers
are probably thinking something entirely different than the viewer thinks, like, Who is this New York weirdo, anyway? It's all a game. And
I'm personally sick of seeing anything shot in front of a white sheet (deadpan boring).
 

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Only 1 and to a lesser extent 4&5 are deadpan in the sense of appearing "neutral" to my senses. I cannot read any expression from number 1 and am unsure about 4&5. Numbers 2 and 3 are sending me messages about their demeanour and attitude as of the time of their portrait's capture.

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Only 1 and to a lesser extent 4&5 are deadpan in the sense of appearing "neutral" to my senses. I cannot read any expression from number 1 and am unsure about 4&5. Numbers 2 and 3 are sending me messages about their demeanour and attitude as of the time of their portrait's capture.

pentaxuser

Can you explain what you are seeing. Is it because there is more body showing? Is that influencing your impression?
 

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In the case ofthe older woman it is her expression. The corners of her mouth are turned down which conveys a certain disdain. The younger woman who appears to be not more much more than a late teenage girl has a slightly defiant, resentful look. To use what may be a British expression her face is saying: "What are you looking at! I use the exclamation instead of a question mark because she is not really making an inquiry of the viewer but a kind of a challenge that may be a product of insecurity that often is associated with those entering the adult world

Does this help?

pentaxuser
 

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A smile or an expression prompted by the photographer could be considered a facade that the subject is temporarily wearing. The deadpan look certainly can be used and abused like any photographic theme, but at the core it's a subject's natural state. It's the resting face that the world sees most of the time. If you passed this person walking to work in the morning, unless they're engaged in some stimuli, you'll probably see the resting state. Why should this natural and honest expression, or lack thereof, take away from a portrait's merit? Does a portrait say more about a person if there's a facade of happiness, or a facade of sensuality, or perhaps of grief? Or does it say more about a person if the photographer catches the sitter back at the resting state? Further, does any portrait actually say something about the sitter, or does it say more about the photographer?

From the viewer's perspective, we don't know what happened at the moment of exposure. Most times we don't know if the person was asked to smile, or if the photographer snatched a cigar out of the sitter's mouth like Karsh did with Churchill, or told a story about a dog being hit by a car like Avedon did with the Duke and Dutchess (of somewhere I can't recall). Or maybe the subject told a story and the photo was taken in that moment of silence after the conversation. "All photographs are accurate. None of them is the truth."

Just food for thought.
 

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I have never done portraiture, but my father did in the 1930s and 40s with great success. Using a 4x5 camera on a tripod with a long cable release, he would engage his subject in conversation and trip the shutter without their being aware of it at a 'decisive' moment. He must have burned a lot of film to get the excellent results he achieved, but the results were supremely natural and intensely human. Deadpan portraiture is/was an arty style that has little resonance with an authentic connection to the subject. To me, it's absolute low rent bullshit.
 

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I have never done portraiture, but my father did in the 1930s and 40s with great success. Using a 4x5 camera on a tripod with a long cable release, he would engage his subject in conversation and trip the shutter without their being aware of it at a 'decisive' moment. He must have burned a lot of film to get the excellent results he achieved, but the results were supremely natural and intensely human. Deadpan portraiture is/was an arty style that has little resonance with an authentic connection to the subject. To me, it's absolute low rent bullshit.

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I feel I can perceive more information from a person's face if they are in neutral. A smile doesn't tell me anything more. A professional skilled at flattering light and making someone smile isn't saying anything more or making any more interesting picture than the photographer who lights to show details of the neutral face. The most common, most used and most comfortable expression of a person.
 
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In the case ofthe older woman it is her expression. The corners of her mouth are turned down which conveys a certain disdain. The younger woman who appears to be not more much more than a late teenage girl has a slightly defiant, resentful look. To use what may be a British expression her face is saying: "What are you looking at! I use the exclamation instead of a question mark because she is not really making an inquiry of the viewer but a kind of a challenge that may be a product of insecurity that often is associated with those entering the adult world

Does this help?

pentaxuser

Not arguing with you but the older woman, seems to have a face that the corners of the mouth naturally go down on. Now some could say this is a character portrait because it shows a hard life. Maybe yes maybe no. As we get older our skin "drops". This woman may be the happiest fun loving person on the planet, it's just that in neutral, the corners of her mouth go down.

The girl's looks could be defiant, or just the way her face works.

After photographing thousands of people, the range of looks in neutral expressions are all over the map. As for whether that is a reflection of character or even mood is rather debatable. I've also photographed hundreds of kids, and natural/neutral expressions are all over the map as well.

Here are a few more deadpan photographs.....
 

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People are still arguing over the Mona Lisa half-smile. So a degree of ambiguity in "mug shot" photography should be expected. Try posing
people too long under old-school tungsten hot lights - that will elicit a few expressions of disdain, cause hot light are kinda hot and uncomfortable. To me, flash is worse. Look at what Karsh did - grabbed Churchill's cigar right out of his mouth, infuriating him, and popped
the cable. "Resolve, character", when he was just really pissed, livid.
 

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People are still arguing over the Mona Lisa half-smile. So a degree of ambiguity in "mug shot" photography should be expected. ...

Good point about the Mona Lisa. So why debate something that can never be determined once and for all.
 
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Only 1 and to a lesser extent 4&5 are deadpan in the sense of appearing "neutral" to my senses. I cannot read any expression from number 1 and am unsure about 4&5. Numbers 2 and 3 are sending me messages about their demeanour and attitude as of the time of their portrait's capture.

pentaxuser

Interesting that 2 and 3 are also the Avedon portraits in the set. Maybe there was some madness to his method.
 

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The fashion for smiling for ones photographs only s photograph only started in the 1920's
 

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