Gerald Koch said:What a particular thing to say. As I mentioned before it's all in the dose. In small amounts fluorine is an important trace element in the human body, important for strong bones and teeth. Take too much and its poisonous. Tooth enamel is made of a mineral called fluoroapatite. When there is too little fluoride in the human diet then tooth enamel consists of hydroxyapatite which is softer and more susceptable to decay.
Aggie said:Ever wonder why many of the countries in
the world have banned flouride?
jeroldharter said:After reading most of your post I think that the most helpful precaution you could take is to use Xanax. Sounds like your kids will be fine, especially with a locked door.
On the apron front, this is a good place to look:
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Tooth mottling is an indicator of too much fluoride. However, in the literature that I have read the problem is only cosmetic. Anyway, it's all in the dosage.Aggie said:No Flouride i any does is a poison. The subsequent studies that have been done show that the calcium derived from fluride is the brittle form that actually causes those funny white spots on teeth. That is a sign of flouride poisoning
Aggie said:Dr. Pepper the soft drink has antifreeze as one of the presevatives, and we think nothing of drinking it, and that is far worse than our chemicals.
Kirk Keyes said:I hate when Dr Pepper gets slandered like this.
From http://www.drpepper.com/text/dpnutrition.aspx
Ingredients:
CARBONATED WATER, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CARAMEL COLOR, PHOSPHORIC ACID, ARTIFICIAL AND NATURAL FLAVORS, SODIUM BENZOATE (PRESERVATIVE), CAFFEINE.]
Gerald Koch said:Ethylene glycol is far more toxic since it is converted to oxalic acid in the body. Oxalic acid when ingested causes calcium oxalate to form in the kidneys and damage them.
Kirk Keyes said:Speaking of oxalic acid, spinach and many other vegetables
have high enough levels of oxalic acid to take notice.
dancqu said:I've read that rhubarb leafs should be considered toxic.
Oxalic acid and the oxalates are very strong reducing agents;
anti-oxidants. Perhaps more so than ascorbic acid. Mr. Gainer
likely knows. Some use oxalic acid or an oxalate in their
Darkroom work. It's calcium salt is the least soluble of
all calcium salts. Good time for distilled water. Dan
Pick your mode of poisoning. "This clear, colorless, sweet-tasting liquid is rapidly and completely absorbed upon ingestion with peak blood levels occurring in 1-4 hours. It has a half-life of 2.5 to 4.5 hours (this may be extended to as long as 17 hours in the presence of ethanol at levels of 100-200 mg/dL). The elimination half-life of ethylene glycol with fomepizole treatment is 11 to 14.75 hours. Ethylene glycol is non-toxic, but is metabolized by alcohol dehydrogenase, found in the hepatocytes, into four toxic byproducts: glycoaldehyde, glycolate, glycolic acid, and glyoxylate. These four breakdown products are responsible for the tissue destruction (from calcium oxalate crystals) and metabolic toxicity (high anion gap metabolic acidosis, lactic acidosis, and hypocalcemia). Ethylene glycol has a volume of distribution (0.54-0.8 L/kg) similar to that of total body water. Ethylene glycol is filtered by the renal glomeruli and is passively reabsorbed. Approximately 20% of ethylene glycol is excreted unchanged in the urine. The lethal dose in adults is 1-1.5 mL/kg .avandesande said:It is acidosis that kills you. Your body is unable to break the oxalic acid down and your blood ph drops. This is the same mechanism that causes methanol poisoning, but in that case it is formic acid.
Aggie said:No Flouride i any does is a poison. The subsequent studies that have been done show that the calcium derived from fluride is the brittle form that actually causes those funny white spots on teeth. That is a sign of flouride poisoning. Again the one study that was conducted was in the early 40's in Texas by one Dentist. He found that naturally occuring flouride was the only difference between 7 of 43 towns that he studied. In those 7 towns there was a slight decrease in tooth decay. From that study and only that study our great government found a way to dump the flouride that was collect in NJ at the aluminum plants Where down wind there was a 80 % increase of cancers and the first mass concentration of alzimer cases. They put scrubbers on the smoke stacks, the cancer incidence when to normal and the alzimers cases other than the rash that could not be cured, disappeared. That slurry from the stacks is what was put into our water supply. Flouride is and will always be one of the contributing factors to thyroid disease. I have hasimotos. That is why I was going back to school and got that damn degree of mine. I wanted to know. All of this comes out from different lectures at the University of Arizona or the University of Utah, in their various bio and bio chem classes. It was not long ago 2003 that the AMA came out with new guidelines for the levels of thyroid problems. It turned out that all these people who have been thold they were borderline now have a serious problem that was being overlooked. Now draw a corallary between the flouride that is being pushed at us and the major increase in thyroid disease. That and the mass increase in alzimers that until flouride was introduced to the water supply was non existant. Yep the dose is what is important. Tell that to the people who have a sensitivity to phyenolpekontnurics....it causes irreversible brain damage. It is so dangerous that we do PKU tests on our children when they are born to see if they are sensitive to it. What is that fancy sounding little substance? Try nutrasweet/equal/aspartame. Yet how many products are there with it in it? It is just a matter of dose? the PKU test only give you a reading if it is highly sensitive. All those people with slight or medium sensitivity do not rate. They have different problems, the least of which is bad headaches. Just a matter of dose?
Know thy poisons and what really is the bottom line.
Pyro which is being touted as so bad, OXIDIZES once it is mixed into a solution and exposed to air, and goes inert. Inert like it is harmless. Will still stain your hands if you put them into the solution.
Photo Engineer said:Oxalic acid ... If it were a strong reducing agent, PE
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