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I was thinking about the "Never used" equipment thread last night while I was fighting (again) with my paper safe. There is specialized equipment for every possible need in a darkroom. So my question is, if you were setting up a new room (or advising someone setting up their first), what equipment would you skip? And what equipment would you really push to get the best for?

For me, one of the things I always thought was that you need a paper safe. My paper safe and I don't get along (seriously, everytime I use it I feel like one of those idiots on the As Seen On TV infomercials). But you know what works really well for me? The free box & bag the paper came in. Okay, 25 sheet 8x10s not so much, but 100 pack of a 5x7s comes with a pretty fantastic paper safe.

Where would I push to get the best? Enlarger lenses. On a 5x7 (or even 8x10) I may not be able to see the difference between my Rodenstock and the kit lens that came on my 60 year old B22, but the features (illuminated f-stop, and the ability to lock to an aperture making goign between f2.8 for focus and my print aperture utterly brainless) makes such a big difference to me as I work, that it is well worth the piddly price I paid to buy those lenses seperately.

I'd also pay to make sure I have a knob-style electronic print timer. The ability to set the time by feel and have exact repeatable times comes in very handy when using fast paper on a small enlargement (1/2 second difference when doing 4 second prints is visible).

Lastly, I'd go for a nice grain focuser. Some people are happy with a magnifying glass. I've got a magna site and while I love the size of it, I never feel as confident in my print as when I use a good grain focuser.
 

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When I give workshops, one of my handouts is this list. I like to think of darkroom equipment in three categories, but each has his own priorities, as you seem to. IMHO, this list of darkroom equipment covers the essentials and some luxuries, but is not necessarily complete. YMMV

Film development

Absolutely Essential
• Developing tank and reels (critical)
• Accurate thermometer 1 (critical)
• A completely dark room OR a changing bag (critical)
• Film cap remover (for 35mm)
• Measuring cylinders and beakers
• Chemical storage bottles
• Funnel
• Stop clock/watch/timer
• Film clips

Nice To Have
• Scissors
• Negative storage sleeves
• Stirring rod (for mixing chemicals)

Luxuries
• Temperature controlled water bath
• Mechanized processor


Printing Equipment

Absolutely Essential
• A dark room
• Adequate ventilation
• Electricity
• Trash can
• An enlarger for smaller negatives, and/or a contact printer for larger negatives.
• Contrast filters for the enlarger (or an enlarger with a dichroic “color” head)
• A clock or timer with a easily seen (under safelight) second hand,
• Trays for chemicals (at least 4, plus a washer tray.)
• Print tongs (or gloves)
• A safelight and filter. The Ilford 902 safelight filter is recommended for all Ilford printing papers. The Kodak “0C” (zero-see) is the equivalent.
• Print easel to hold and mask the paper

Nice To Have
• A dark room with running water
• Heat and air conditioning
• 4 blade easel
• A focusing aid (grain focuser)
• Mechanical or electronic enlarger timer
• A dedicated print development timer
• Paper trimmer (one that can be used safely in dim light)
• Paper safes
• Drying racks
• Microwave or hair dryer (for paper – NOT film)
• Clean, camel hair brush, and/or a puffer brush for removing dust from negatives

Luxuries
• Stereo or radio
• Vertical (“archival”) print washer
• Programmable “f-stop” enlarging timer
• Compressed air for dusting negatives
• Light box for viewing negatives
• Large sinks to hold all your trays and print washers
 

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Well, I use a $7 Time O Lite timer (or more often just a metronome), so obviously those fancy digital timers can be done w/o. My paper safe is the same as yours, my safelight is ruby lith over an 11 watt bulb, the easel is moveable pins on a piece of plywood, the print tongs are my gloved fingers, and the developing trays came from Household Items in Walmart. But the enlarger is a nice Durst w/ good lenses.

Shoot, even my film developer consists of ancient cans or packages of long defunct Microdol-X, and I hang the film to dry on a coat hanger w/ home made clips tied to it, and another clip tied to a small bolt to weigh down the other end of the film strip. Instead of a film dryer, I use the bathroom. Prints are hung on wire w/ clothes pins, and flattened under books after drying. Bigger prints are laid down on screen that is strung in a convenient area. It all works pretty well.

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At a bit of a tangent here -
worst investment was plastic print tongs; always broke in the middle of a print session & *always* seemed to be the last one I had in store :-(
better investment was metal tongs with rubber tips; vastly more expensive but they haven't broken yet so cheaper in the long run :smile:

Other *best investment* would be a timer with consistent repeatability.
Sim2.
 

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One of the expenses that can be reduced is NOT to buy a contact printer. Expensive and used very seldomly as you can put a sheet of paper on the easel put the sheet of negatives on it. A glass plate on top, turn the lights on for a few seconds, presto a contact print. Spend your saved $$ on more paper. You can use a larger sheet of paper where you can write notes & info.
 

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At a bit of a tangent here -
worst investment was plastic print tongs; always broke in the middle of a print session & *always* seemed to be the last one I had in store :-(
better investment was metal tongs with rubber tips; vastly more expensive but they haven't broken yet so cheaper in the long run :smile:

Other *best investment* would be a timer with consistent repeatability.
Sim2.

Now see, I had a problem with the rubber tips on metal tongs coming off rendering them useless. Yeah, the plastic ones break occasionally, but they are cheap, so I keep a set or two as spares and when I break one, I get out a spare and order another set. I just consider them "supplies" more than "equipment."

Which just goes to show one of the problems with lists like this. One person's "essential" will be another's "useless." SOME things of course we should agree on - enlarger, quality lens etc. But a lot of the peripheral stuff is going to be a very personalized list developed by personal experience.
 

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When I give workshops, one of my handouts is this list. I like to think of darkroom equipment in three categories, but each has his own priorities, as you seem to. IMHO, this list of darkroom equipment covers the essentials and some luxuries, but is not necessarily complete. YMMV

Film development

Absolutely Essential
• Developing tank and reels (critical)
• Accurate thermometer 1 (critical)
• A completely dark room OR a changing bag (critical)
• Film cap remover (for 35mm)
• Measuring cylinders and beakers
• Chemical storage bottles
• Funnel
• Stop clock/watch/timer
• Film clips

Nice To Have
• Scissors
• Negative storage sleeves
• Stirring rod (for mixing chemicals)

Luxuries
• Temperature controlled water bath
• Mechanized processor


Printing Equipment

Absolutely Essential
• A dark room
• Adequate ventilation
• Electricity
• Trash can
• An enlarger for smaller negatives, and/or a contact printer for larger negatives.
• Contrast filters for the enlarger (or an enlarger with a dichroic “color” head)
• A clock or timer with a easily seen (under safelight) second hand,
• Trays for chemicals (at least 4, plus a washer tray.)
• Print tongs (or gloves)
• A safelight and filter. The Ilford 902 safelight filter is recommended for all Ilford printing papers. The Kodak “0C” (zero-see) is the equivalent.
• Print easel to hold and mask the paper

Nice To Have
• A dark room with running water
• Heat and air conditioning
• 4 blade easel
• A focusing aid (grain focuser)
• Mechanical or electronic enlarger timer
• A dedicated print development timer
• Paper trimmer (one that can be used safely in dim light)
• Paper safes
• Drying racks
• Microwave or hair dryer (for paper – NOT film)
• Clean, camel hair brush, and/or a puffer brush for removing dust from negatives

Luxuries
• Stereo or radio
• Vertical (“archival”) print washer
• Programmable “f-stop” enlarging timer
• Compressed air for dusting negatives
• Light box for viewing negatives
• Large sinks to hold all your trays and print washers

In Absolutely Essential, how about paper towels or other to dry your hands? And instead of a Film cap remover (for 35mm), how about a film extractor device?
 

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I have an extractor for 35mm film but I have to figure it out again and mess with it for quite some time every time I have to use it. I didn't have one for decades and didn't really miss it.

OTOH, all you need to open the regular crimped ones is a bottle opener anyway. Essential, yes (assuming you do 35mm) but you almost certainly have one in the kitchen.
 
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Which just goes to show one of the problems with lists like this. One person's "essential" will be another's "useless." SOME things of course we should agree on - enlarger, quality lens etc. But a lot of the peripheral stuff is going to be a very personalized list developed by personal experience.

That's exactly what I'm interested in - what things do different people do happily without, and what things do they find important to their personal process. Momus' list fits exactly the kind of response I was looking for.

Cliveh, I have an old worn out hand towel I tuck into my belt. I find it works wonders compared to paper towels.

Other wasted money: Film clips - I've paid of the weighed metal ones only to have the weigh fall out within the first week. Wooden clothes pins and wire coat hangars do all my film and RC print drying duties now.
 

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One of the more useful things I had in commercial darkrooms which I don't have in mine is a large clock with a sweep second hand. They are great for timing prints as you don't need to touch anything, just slide the paper in the developer and look at where the second hand is. As a bonus you can find out what time it is.

Towels are a simple essential, I get the cast-offs that get retired from the kitchen. Sponges too.

I would not give up my f/stop enlarging timer, though it most certainly is a luxury.
Aside from the timer most of my darkroom luxuries are multiples of stuff because of upgrades or things that came in lots with other stuff I specifically wanted. One of these days I'll weed out a lot of those things (famous last words… one needs 6 enlarging timers, right?)
 

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Linen "tea" towels are the best.

I haunt the thrift stores for them. The souvenir "Irish Linen" ones are good - the gaudier the better.
 

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I use a bottle cap opener instead of a fancy film cassette opener OT film extractor ..
contact printer .. all I have ever used is a sheet of glass 1/8? inch ...
I never would have thought this but I use a bessler enlarger timer with a foot pedal ..
the foot thing ( for any kind of timer ) is key .. it helps when burning / dodging ...
wish I had tray rockers so I didn't have to do more than twiddle my thumbs when I made prints
unfortunately I am a member of the great unwashed, without tray rockers.
they sometimes ( the old ones ) make a racket, but eventually it is just white noise ...
 

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Foot switch is key for me too. My enlarger is just sitting on a folding banquet table. As long as I let any vibrations die out, use the foot switch to activate the timer, and don't bump it during exposure, all actually very easy even if it doesn't sound easy, it works fine. It wouldn't work if I had a color head with a cooling fan or the like but for my D2 with an LED lamphouse it's fine - and was cheap.
 

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As a poor student when I did most of my home printing, I learned from school what I "needed" and what I did not.

+ A lot of household stuff could be used for photo use; measuring cups, buckets, clothes pins, tubs, trays, etc. Although today, you can find old photo gear so cheap or free, that the household stuff is expensive in comparison.

+ In high school and college, I always carried a pocket knife with a cap opener. Always had it with me when the "official" 35mm cassette opener went missing...again. Probably could not get away with carrying a knife in school today.

+ One of my best tools is a small Cds enlarging meter. When I had to repeat print or adjust the enlarger height, it was easy to get a good or close 1st print. This was important as I did not print enough to develop my eye to be able to judge the exposure of a negative. The meter also gave me a better evaluation of the brightness range of the negative, for the same problem of not enough darkroom time for my eyes to judge.

+ An inexpensive alternative for a close first print is the Kodak Projection Print Scale. I think it was 60 seconds and you read the exposure time off the pie slice with the best exposure. Much better than the traditional test strips, which in later year I realized has a problem. Standard test strips (increments of 2 or 5 secs) were linear, not exponential (f-stop). So the exposure increments were not even as the exposure time increased; 4sec was 2x 2sec, but 10sec was not 2x 8sec, it was only 1/4 more. I tried to do an f-stop test strip a few times but it was hard to get the incremental times correct, and I gave up trying.

+ RC paper to avoid the hassles of drying fiber paper at home.

+ Honeywell Nikor developing tanks were/are great, and has lasted me well over 40 years. And they work just as well today as they did back then. They use less chemicals than a plastic tank, and it was easy to clean, wipe and immediately use again (plastic reels were a PiA to dry enough to reuse them in the same developing session).

+ GraLab 300 timer. It was an expensive purchase for a high school kid, but over the long haul it worked out better than the cheap plastic timers that always broke and the wind up kitchen timers were difficult to set to anything less than a minute so their accuracy was no better than about 1 min. I also used the GraLab as my enlarger timer until I could afford to get an enlarger timer. So I used it for many timing purposes. The only real use of the kitchen timer was timing the 10 minute fix and the wash where accuracy was not important. Today there are many inexpensive digital timers.

+ In the local community college I saw what bdial mentioned. A LARGE clock with a safelight on it, EASY to see the second hand. With several people developing prints at once, it wasn't practical to have individual developing timers. And you don't have to touch the clock like I had to do with my GraLab. Or put my wristwatch under the enlarger with the light on, to see the time.

+ Honeywell RotoTrim paper cutter. I HATED using the standard giloutine paper cutters in the darkroom at school. Blasted thing was dangerous to use in the dark, and you ALWAYS had to make sure that the guys before you did not leave the blade in the UP position. The RotoTrim while expensive was a heck of a lot safer for my fingers in the dark. There are much cheaper basic rotary cutters today, so a rotary cutter should be an early purchase.

+ Durst M600 enlarger. It was an awful $ stretch to buy it, but it worked well and long. The M600 was portable enough that I have dragged it from my parent's home to my apartment to house to apartment to house to house, for over 30 years. And it packs away in a relatively small box (for an enlarger). So if you don't have a permanent home with space for a large enlarger, get a portable enlarger.
+ Today with prices of used gear what they are, get the best enlarger you can afford, and make sure you have ALL the parts (missing parts can be EXPENSIVE to replace). In fact get a 4x5 enlarger if you can, as that will cover everything up to 4x5, so you won't have to look for another enlarger later. My M600 maxed out at 6x6, so I could not print any larger format film. I have a Durst L1000 (4x5 format) that will go into my new darkroom.

+ Making my home darkroom WHITE. I experienced the black-hole of a black darkroom in high school. It was difficult to work in, things got lost in the dark, it was easy to get hurt running into things you could not see (also black counters), and was just not a pleasant place to work in. Then I visited another high school where their darkroom was painted in pale green and white (no idea about the green paint), and it was SOOOO MUCH BRIGHTER, and easier on the eyes to work in. So, at home, 2 small 15w safelights lit up the entire darkroom; the white walls, white counter top and white tile floor bounced the safelight around so there were no dark corners. A couple of my friends could not believe how bright my darkroom was compared to the BLACK school darkroom, which had many more safelights.

+ Honeywell Nikor Rocking Print Tray. When I moved away from the darkroom my parent built, I was at times terribly space constrained. The rocking print tray let me develop prints in a small half bath. One could do similar with a drum processor.

- I wish my timers had a foot switch, but none had/have that option. I have had to use my elbow to trigger the timer while I dodged and burned a print, quite clumsy.
Maybe I can rig a connector to the switch and connect a foot switch to that.

- The worst investment (in retrospect) was my parents building a dedicated darkroom under the house for my brother and I. Although I think it had a lot to do with my mother wanting her kitchen not to smell like fixer and stop bath. After college I moved out and away. I don't think the darkroom was used much in the 30 years since. I hope to retire back to that house, and put it back into use.

- Cibachrome. I did not print enough slides to really have made that investment worth it. Although I was able to dodge/burn a few prints that could not have been made by a straight lab print. And unfortunately, Cibachrome is gone, or I might have played with that in my retirement.
 
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I was thinking about the "Never used" equipment thread last night while I was fighting (again) with my paper safe. There is specialized equipment for every possible need in a darkroom. So my question is, if you were setting up a new room (or advising someone setting up their first), what equipment would you skip? And what equipment would you really push to get the best for?

The Best: Almost anything professional made 40+ years ago, esp enlargers.

The Worst: Most (many?) of the products currently available new-with exceptions of course.

Since my darkroom was gathered in the late 80's & early 90's, most of my "stuff" fits in the first category. I honestly can't think of anything I've bought new other than chemistry. Even recent purchases are usually at least 20-40 years old.........Wait, I just bough some chemical storage accordion type bottles because most of the cheap ones from the 70's had cracked. The Falcon ones still hold up!

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When I give workshops, one of my handouts is this list. I like to think of darkroom equipment in three categories, but each has his own priorities, as you seem to. IMHO, this list of darkroom equipment covers the essentials and some luxuries, but is not necessarily complete. YMMV

...snip....

Printing Equipment

Absolutely Essential
• A dark room
• Adequate ventilation
• Electricity
• Trash can
• An enlarger for smaller negatives, and/or a contact printer for larger negatives.
• Contrast filters for the enlarger (or an enlarger with a dichroic “color” head)
• A clock or timer with a easily seen (under safelight) second hand,
• Trays for chemicals (at least 4, plus a washer tray.)
• Print tongs (or gloves)
• A safelight and filter. The Ilford 902 safelight filter is recommended for all Ilford printing papers. The Kodak “0C” (zero-see) is the equivalent.
• Print easel to hold and mask the paper

Nice To Have
• A dark room with running water
• Heat and air conditioning
• 4 blade easel
• A focusing aid (grain focuser)
• Mechanical or electronic enlarger timer
• A dedicated print development timer
• Paper trimmer (one that can be used safely in dim light)
• Paper safes
• Drying racks
• Microwave or hair dryer (for paper – NOT film)
• Clean, camel hair brush, and/or a puffer brush for removing dust from negatives

Luxuries
• Stereo or radio
• Vertical (“archival”) print washer
• Programmable “f-stop” enlarging timer
• Compressed air for dusting negatives
• Light box for viewing negatives
• Large sinks to hold all your trays and print washers

Fantastic list! Just my workflow but I would move the light box to must have, or maybe list a method to review negatives. I contact print and use the contact print and negative on the light box to plan my printing. I want to see or try to get a feel for how much detail I can pull out of the highlights, etc. This is an very important step for me as to plan my print, think about what I want, etc.

David
 

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One of the expenses that can be reduced is NOT to buy a contact printer. Expensive and used very seldomly as you can put a sheet of paper on the easel put the sheet of negatives on it. A glass plate on top, turn the lights on for a few seconds, presto a contact print. Spend your saved $$ on more paper. You can use a larger sheet of paper where you can write notes & info.

I'm going to disagree a bit here, but partly because I work out of a temporary darkroom.

My contact proof printer sits conveniently in a slot on my rolling cart, nicely protected by the included foam padding and the box it came in. It is way easier to handle than a sheet of glass.

Of course it was included with the package when I bought my 4x5 enlarger, so that may affect my judgment somewhat.

Anyone's "must have" list may be affected by their circumstances. The wire shelves that I use to create a shelf for my trays on top of the bathtub are a "must have" for me.
 
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