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Hello Photrio Community,

I have finally fully invested in a darkroom and I am now looking to start mass-printing my catalog of negatives in a home darkroom.

I wanted to take a moment to ask the community on what are their best practices and efficiencies when it comes to home darkroom workflow. I’d love to hear your “tips and tricks” and how you have gradually refined your process and technique over the years with equipment just shy of using commercial laboratory equipment.

Some topics I was interested in knowing:

  • Process for contact printing,
  • Printing in mass (10+ prints in 1 session)
  • Tray vs print drums
  • How many processing tanks do you have
  • Your workflow for archival prints
  • Screendryer vs electric dryer vs hang drying
I’d really like to learn some best practices and efficiencies to incorporate into my own workflow and appreciate any insight you can provide!
 

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Are you printing colour or black & white?
 

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Well, I’m sure everybody’s a little bit different as the workflow usually mirrors the intended outcomes. For example on my case, I only make fine prints so I really don’t have time to make contact prints or anything other than just the fine prints.
 
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Well, I’m sure everybody’s a little bit different as the workflow usually mirrors the intended outcomes. For example on my case, I only make fine prints so I really don’t have time to make contact prints or anything other than just the fine prints.

Interesting - so what’s your process for selecting the print you’d like to enlarge? I sometimes find it difficult to choose if viewing the negative on a light table. What has helped me is turning on the “invert” feature on my phones accessibility settings so I can click my side button 3 times to invert - which means I can hover my phone over the light table and quickly see what the photo looks like

For me, I think the contact print helps more on the archiving end personally
 

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I put all my negatives in clear plastic sleeves and choose the ones to print by viewing them on a light table.

For BW film processing I use Jobo cpp2.

Archival wash per Ilford instructions.

Print drying on screens and print flattening with a dry mount press.
 

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Mass printing is always a disaster.

Most recently I picked up a “three strips of 6” negative carrier that slides side to side giving 18 shots on two pieces of paper, four sheets to print a roll. But at that rate they’re like big contact prints.

The best routine is to stick with a size. 11x14 is a good size. Work on two or three negatives in a session, hope to make four or five good prints.

Always start with a test strip. Invariably disappointing every time you try to just “use the same print time as last print”.

I take notes as I go. Someday it may help me reprint a photo. So far it’s been note taking its own sake.

Negative development notes have helped me hone in on development times. But for prints I just keep moving forward.
 

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If you scan your work and post it online:

Date the work in your online post, and
date the negatives in your printfile page.
If you can, keep the pages in a binder in date-order or at least close to it.

Makes things so much easier to find.
 

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1. Be anal about dust.
2 Wipe down everything when you wrap up a darkroom session. Fixer (and other chemistry) has a way of splattering to amazing places. The splatters dry to become little white spots, ready to cause all sorts of problems.
 
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I put all my negatives in clear plastic sleeves and choose the ones to print by viewing them on a light table.

For BW film processing I use Jobo cpp2.

Archival wash per Ilford instructions.

Print drying on screens and print flattening with a dry mount press.

Nice- I have a Jobo with print drums as well, but find myself a little Limited when wanting to process more than 2 prints in a 2830 - unless I wait for the drum to dry

How do you get your drum to dry? It’s a great system overall but I do find it a little limiting when I want to continuously print things all day
 
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Mass printing is always a disaster.

Most recently I picked up a “three strips of 6” negative carrier that slides side to side giving 18 shots on two pieces of paper, four sheets to print a roll. But at that rate they’re like big contact prints.

The best routine is to stick with a size. 11x14 is a good size. Work on two or three negatives in a session, hope to make four or five good prints.

Always start with a test strip. Invariably disappointing every time you try to just “use the same print time as last print”.

I take notes as I go. Someday it may help me reprint a photo. So far it’s been note taking its own sake.

Negative development notes have helped me hone in on development times. But for prints I just keep moving forward.

I was looking at purchasing something like this! I believe it’s called a “gang” negative carrier

How do you like it? Do you find it worth it? I was trying to figure out the application for the item and would love to know your thoughts
 
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If you scan your work and post it online:

Date the work in your online post, and
date the negatives in your printfile page.
If you can, keep the pages in a binder in date-order or at least close to it.

Makes things so much easier to find.

Great advice! I try to put more in the metadata now when scanning. I started with a cinestill/Valoi set which I liked. I heard great things about negative supply so I bought one too but wasn’t too fond of the copy stand and splurged on a Kaiser rs1(which I love)

Generally I try to develop the film, scan it, then print in the darkroom. It’s a lengthy process which got me wondering about workflows
 
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1. Be anal about dust.
2 Wipe down everything when you wrap up a darkroom session. Fixer (and other chemistry) has a way of splattering to amazing places. The splatters dry to become little white spots, ready to cause all sorts of problems.

I just got a glass carrier and this is what I’m reading

Any suggestions on items to use? I heard great things about the Ilford multi static cloth so I got one coming in the mail. Some kinetronics gloves too

I was wondering about the kinetronics anti static brush

For me this is doubly useful because I scan and print the negatives
 

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I have the RH Designs Zonemaster and Stopclock. The first is a lightmeter (and more) and the second is an F stop timer. Expensive, but worth it. The plug into each other, so when I take light readings it shows me where the tones will fall on a greyscale and and the paper grade needed to fit those greys on the paper. I can adjust the contrast or exposure and shows how the tones will move from white to black. It transfers the time as it changes to the timer, so everything is automatic. You can calibrate it to the paper you are using.

Instead of adjusting the time in seconds, it adjusts in stops. Once you're used to it, it makes for a better way to print I think. It can be adjusted in increments from 1/24 to 1/4 stops.

Since getting these, I found I can usually get the print I want in 1-2 test strips now. The meter gets me very close to the final exposure and contrast quite quickly.

I think the Analyiser Pro now combines both the timer and zonemaster into one box.
 
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I have the RH Designs Zonemaster and Stopclock. The first is a lightmeter (and more) and the second is an F stop timer. Expensive, but worth it. The plug into each other, so when I take light readings it shows me where the tones will fall on a greyscale and and the paper grade needed to fit those greys on the paper. I can adjust the contrast or exposure and shows how the tones will move from white to black. It transfers the time as it changes to the timer, so everything is automatic. You can calibrate it to the paper you are using.

Instead of adjusting the time in seconds, it adjusts in stops. Once you're used to it, it makes for a better way to print I think. It can be adjusted in increments from 1/24 to 1/4 stops.

Since getting these, I found I can usually get the print I want in 1-2 test strips now. The meter gets me very close to the final exposure and contrast quite quickly.

I think the Analyiser Pro now combines both the timer and zonemaster into one box.

Just who I need to speak to!

I have a stop clock pro too - and wanted to buy the zone master attachment - does it power directly from the stop clock pro? I emailed rh designs but never got a response back. I’m in the US where it’s 110v so I wanted to know if I needed a us version for the grid here

Any recommendations on tutorials you’ve seen? I haven’t found much on YouTube sadly
 

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The Zonemaster runs on a 9V battery, so it's independent of the mains voltage.

I haven't looked for any tutorials, I found the instruction book to be quite comprehensive.
 

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I scan every frame of film I shoot. I can see quickly in Photoshop if I need to crop, and then I can do simple dodging and burning. I then live with my favorite scans for a while before deciding whether it’s worth printing or not. I just look at them on my phone in my spare time. This works really well for me. Also when I go into the darkroom I shoot for something close to the file I’ve been looking at for a while on my phone/computer. If done right in the darkroom the print will far exceed my scan. Always a good feeling.
 

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Thank you Craig! Ordering the zone master now!
Disclaimer: I don't own one. I do have an old Philips device with a CdS meter (!) and analog rotating disk "calculator"(!!) that has the same purpose --propose suitable grade and exposure.
But... I have doubts about the claims:

Banish the Test Strip!​

... so you can place important tones and preview the look of the print

The final print is evaluated according to the relation between the tones of the various parts, seen simultaneously in their mutual relation. No machine can replace your eye+brain in that respect.

A well designed meter (like the ZoneMaster presumably is) will save you the time wasted in the preliminary test strips, and zero in on a decent choice of grade and exposure for your first evaluation print; at that stage I like to use "large test strips", typically 1/3 of the full area, sampling properly chosen regions.

A physical contact sheet is also helpful for the same purpose, showing how the various frames differ in required grade and exposure. Be mindful, however, of the Callier effect when transposing contact sheet grade to enlarging grade.
 

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For printing in masse: If I do colour, I like to work parallel on two enlargers. While the one print is going through the processor (~7 min.), I can work on the other....

A good antistatic brush/system is a blessing!
 

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I’d really like to learn some best practices and efficiencies to incorporate into my own workflow and appreciate any insight you can provide!

I'd propose to split the question into several areas, then do a search on this forum for what's already been discussed (which is plenty), and then append your questions to existing threads where opportune and/or create new threads with more focused questions. In principle we're OK with a carpet bombing approach along the lines of "tell me what works for you in the darkroom", but evidently it'll be all over the place.
 

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I can only give my thoughts on processing black and white, as I don't process colour material.

  • Process for contact printing: - I use a contact printing frame and because I'm using 35mm, print the entire film on one sheet of 10" X 8" paper.
  • Printing in mass (10+ prints in 1 session): - I would suggest about 10 prints in one session is fine.
  • Tray vs print drums: - Trays
  • How many processing tanks do you have: - Two
  • Your workflow for archival prints: - Dev, Stop, Fix.
  • Screendryer vs electric dryer vs hang drying: - For film definately hang, don't use photoflo and just soak in deionised water for about 30 seconds before hanging film, I also hang prints to dry.
  • I’d really like to learn some best practices and efficiencies to incorporate into my own workflow and appreciate any insight you can provide! - Colour code chemical containers, don't use a glass carrier in your enlarger, keep things simple.
 

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What an amazing question! I'll rant a bit so my message may be a bit long. I won't answer your questions about tray vs drums, i've always used trays and don't have any experience with drums so i don't have any knowledge on them. I shoot black and white and print in the darkroom, i have scanned using a flatbed and hated it so i don't anymore. I still scan at work using a fuji minilab but don't scan my own negatives anymore, maybe i will sometime if i need an image digital. Disclaimer: i'm young and don't have years of experience so don't assume anything i say as a fact.


Contact prints
I make contact prints when I want to print multiple images from a roll. I made a simple contact printer which works fine, it's a thick piece of glass attached to some hinges on a ikea shelf. I believe the official ones have something to hold the negatives while you put a sheet under it, that probably works a lot faster but they are a bit expensive and i get perfect results with my method. I then process these normally with dev/stop/fix/wash.
Contact prints can help in selecting images you want to print and give you a rough idea of what exposure and contrast you need (keep your column height in mind and you will usually have to change your contrast to get the same results, with my diffusion enlarger i have to add a grade to my print).


Archival prints
Making archival prints is one hell of a rabbit hole, but also a very fun one. Keep in mind that a lot of stuff is not proven and might only improve archival stability slightly, however this is no reason to still try and get archival prints.
Some steps to get archival prints:

Use FB paper, rc paper has improved but it is still no match to fb paper both in archival stability and (though an opinion) image quality. Almost all serious darkroom printers i know of use fb paper, do keep in mind that it is in fact one hell of a pain compared to rc paper.

Use the 2 bath fixing method, i won't explain it here since there are others on here and on other sites that have explained it already and better then i can. By using this method you can increase the lifespan of your fixer and you will fix your prints better.

Toning your prints can increase archival stability, however it is strongly related to how much you tone and the more you tone the more your image will change. The 2 most used toners are sepia and selenium, sepia gives a warm tone and tones highlights first, selenium gives a colder tone and tones shadows first. Selenium is most often used as a subtle tone, increasing the deepness of your blacks, by only toning subtly it will not greatly improve the archival stability but every little bit helps. Sepia toning is often used to get a clear effect on image tone, giving the classic sepia image. Because sepia tones highlights first and strong toning van give a sometimes preferable image it usually increases archival stability more. In conclusion: stronger toning increases archival stability, however i would advise you not to tone more than what you like. I would rather have a better image for 100 years than a inferior one for 150 years, i don't think i will live that long.

Washing properly
I'm assuming fb prints as these are most difficult to wasg. There is an absolute shitload of methods for washing prints, most of them work just fine. I would advise you to use whatever one you like that seems to be good, if you want to be sure you can do a residual hypo check. I usually wash 30 minutes in a tray of running water, you can also use hypo clear to speed up washing times.

Drying
I'm assuming fb prints here. With fb prints it's important to dry in a way to get them flat, hanging them will sure as hell not do this, it's fine if you want to try out printing for the first time but you can also use rc paper for that. Another method is a machine dryer, i do not have one so my knowledge is limited. They seem to be pretty great, if you can get one. I haven't got my hands on a new one and the old ones look like a fire hazard to me. I use screen drying and it works great for me, i get decently flat prints that i can press in a t shirt press to get fully flat (a t shirt press works as a great alternative to a dry mount press). The naked photographer has an awesome video on how to make these screens, you only need some form of frame, fiberglass window screens and a stapler.

Tips:
My grandfather was a photographer and he taught me to be very careful about darkroom hygiene, always wash your hands, trays and tools as much as you can and try to avoid any contamination.

Experience is your best friend, don't try to make things exact that aren't, go print more. IMO prints are a creative thing and your decisions should be made by you, not by math or a machine. A print can be a beautiful reflection of the printer.

I hope this helps, don't hesitate to ask any questions!
 
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Hello Photrio Community,

I have finally fully invested in a darkroom and I am now looking to start mass-printing my catalog of negatives in a home darkroom.

I wanted to take a moment to ask the community on what are their best practices and efficiencies when it comes to home darkroom workflow. I’d love to hear your “tips and tricks” and how you have gradually refined your process and technique over the years with equipment just shy of using commercial laboratory equipment.

Some topics I was interested in knowing:

  • Process for contact printing,
  • Printing in mass (10+ prints in 1 session)
  • Tray vs print drums
  • How many processing tanks do you have
  • Your workflow for archival prints
  • Screendryer vs electric dryer vs hang drying
I’d really like to learn some best practices and efficiencies to incorporate into my own workflow and appreciate any insight you can provide!

Contact printing I use a clean piece of glass, enlargements I have both glass and glassless carriers.
if you print in mass, you need to make a test print first standardize the time and development.
if you print in mass (long hours) you just have to keep an eye on your chemistry, and make sure you have enough room to dry things.
trays only, I have never used a drum, I hang on a line and on screens
archival prints: develop, stop fix wash fix remove wash.
electric hair dryer is good for looking at test prints
 

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I was looking at purchasing something like this! I believe it’s called a “gang” negative carrier

How do you like it? Do you find it worth it? I was trying to figure out the application for the item and would love to know your thoughts

It's awful. It works. But the need to gang print is not a common application.

It's a way to cheat at analog printing. You can "say" it's a print.

You can indiscreetly fail to mention the size of a scanned print.
 
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