What does "greed" mean, exactly? Does it mean wanting the largest possible return on one's invested capital? What is "reasonable" and who defines it?
What does "greed" mean, exactly? Does it mean wanting the largest possible return on one's invested capital? What is "reasonable" and who defines it?
This sort of post has me tearing at my hair, in its casual mating of sanctimony to ignorance.
Mozaktly!
...and Ilford seems like they have tried to do this. Their appeal to me is not that I view their films as superior to Kodak's. It is that they have a far more complete "total solution" for film photographers. There are a few gaps, but nowhere near as gaping as Kodak's...and in the past few years, they have filled in gaps more than enlarging them, as Kodak has done.
Interesting comment. On the last tour in Oct 2008 I think it was Simon Galley who said that Ilford Satin paper sold in very small volumes compared to Pearl and Glossy and yet there has been no indication that Satin is about to be discontinued. Maybe because it is part of the "paper family" which Ilford sees as being valued as a family by consumers who are then more loyal so a near break even or slight loss product actually cements the customer to the company and makes economic sense when not regarded as a single unit.
pentaxuser
I think this gets to what a lot of people believe. If a company is willing to carry a marginal product, one which does not make them much money but serves the needs of a segment of their customers, there is a perception that the company will look after the customers. When the perception is that a cold, hard calculus is used regarding under-performing products by people looking at numbers and not at customers, alienation and resentment result.
I think many believe that the products being discontinued by Kodak are not necessarily money-losers, but represent small enough numbers that they are judged to be not worth bothering with. I don't know if that's true, but I do think there is something to the concept of a full line retaining customer loyalty, even if some products lose some money.
I don't know if Tri-X 320 actually lost money or not. If so, it's hard to assert as the department head, that it should have been retained. It may have been that a downward trend showed it going past break-even with the next coating. It's awfully hard for a department head to plead for preservation of products over and over, especially if they feel that they must choose which to defend. Unless they can show management that there is an overriding concern, like market presence, not just market share, they may find themselves without enough political capital when they most need it.
There's a fine line to tread. If someone sees Ilford committed to film and Kodak seeming to waver, they might consider it more prudent to give their business to Ilford, to help ensure that they will still be around when Kodak gets out of the market.
I do think it was stupid of Kodak management to announce plans years ago to move away from the film market, and it did not sit well with all investors, either. By announcing it, every film termination has the appearance of fulfilling the management's wishes. They seemed to be viewing digital and film as mutually exclusive, or film as dead. As they appeared so willing to toss their historical business, they appeared also willing to toss their loyal user base.
They clearly cannot afford to jettison all film at this time, as its profits cover digital's losses. So it's not that they won't support a money-losing product, it's that they see digital as their future, and film as their past. With their vision and goals so directed, it's not hard to see why people would no longer believe Kodak supports their interests to the degree it could.
If Kodak were not in digital they would either be in film and resigned to being a small company, or would be in something else that they believed held promise of growth. Success in digital is not assured, as they are up against companies who are long experienced in electronics. What if their sensor sales tank, due to not having competitive enough products, or the market for sensors drying up as camera makers create their own, or something else? If the margins and volume become too small, how is that different from a poorly selling, barely break-even film?
I'd bet there are people who are competent to run Kodak who wouldn't be willing to, given what it's facing in the future.
If I follow correctly, this theory holds that Kodak had a product that was flying off the shelves, and decided that this profitable situation was intolerable. They decided to obstruct and delay delivery of said product to the customer in order to kill the product. Makes sense. I'm sure the shareholders would approve.
320TXP, beloved film of Birthers, Kennedy-assassination and 9/11-conspiracy theorists, Roswell denizens, and alien abductors.
"O Judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts, and men have lost their reason."
It may have been that a downward trend showed it going past break-even with the next coating.
lxdude,
The situation you mention seems illogical but perhaps not unrealistic. Why risk the bad will when profit is still assured?
Tom
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I guess I will be the one to say for the millionth time on the Internet that they are totally different emulsions with different imaging characteristics, not just different-ISO versions of an otherwise identical film.
If the latter was the case, the two separate films would never have existed in the first place. It would have just been one Tri-X Pan.
Whilst I am sometimes one of the first to point out spelling and grammar mistakes, it is always done light heartedly.
In this case DR5 is making a serious point which is his opinion on the matter of stopping TXP production. The incorrect use of short sided, surly and and allot does not subtract from the point he is making.
Steve.
For this weekend, I've decided to resort to 35mm and Tri-X 400. It will be sufficient for this project. After that, I don't know. I'll figure something out. I absolutely hate Tmax with a passion, so it won't be that. I am not terribly fond of Tri-X 400, but it may be the lesser evil. I do plan to do more tests with HP5; it's never been my favorite, but maybe I can find a way to like it more. The biggest pain factor is that whatever I go to will have to be 120. I resent that.
I just can't believe that there is no other 220 B&W option. Unbelievable.
Word from DPP today that the order placed for TXP roll film, [250 rolls] was cut by 1/3 !
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