Unfortunately we do. We speak with our pocketbooks and wallets and apparently we're not speaking loud enough to keep the machines running.
Thanks for pointing this out. I realize we as consumers have a tendency to think this is enough and that this should be the extent of our effort but then you have to ask yourselves: "why are there lobbyists, and are they doing more than speaking with just their wallets and pocketbooks?"
Let's not get stuck there. Let's push the edge of the envelope and think outside the box. Try a little HP think and ask: "What If ..."
Perhaps you could be less vague. Other than doing business with Kodak (for those who like Kodak's products), what do you think this APUG Power should be doing?
I've always shot the 400 in rolls -- I won't miss the 320 rolls in my own work, but I sympathize with those who will.
I'm not being vague intentionally. I'm not saying I have the answer either but there must be something. .....
It's only the 320 version, I scarcely see the point of a film only 1/3 a stop slower than another anyway.
Given its fiduciary responsibility to Kodak shareholders, the answer is "the dollar" by law.
If you were the product manager for Tri-X 320, and you go to management to review the progress you're making in the market place, and you have a product that represents 5% of the total Tri-X sales - how do you make a case to convince your bosses that this film needs to stick around and represent X number of SKUs and remain in inventory?
I want to hear some good sound advice from those that feel they can do better than Kodak.
It is sometimes more about providing a complete product line than making a million a day on every product. If you make brackets, do you not make a left bracket but only make right and straight brackets because the left bracket only is 5% of business?
No. You make a complete product line.
What about the color film guys? Hard to say they have a complete line.
Unfortunately we do. We speak with our pocketbooks and wallets and apparently we're not speaking loud enough to keep the machines running. All the organizing and letter writing in the world isn't going to do any good unless people are buying the product. A very sad fact for people that do what we do.
PS... You're qualified enough to discuss as anyone here is!
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If the company was actually a film company, 100%, tooth and nail, maybe their executives would look at something other than the monetary values of each of their peripheral products when deciding how to proceed. Why can't they see the draw of completeness of product line, instead of nitpicking anything that loses money at the expense of it?
I too think that David's (dr5's) beginning post to this thread is fine.
He might get less flack here, however, if he would advertise (it's really inexpensive) or at least subscribe.
Just saying ....
Matt
If there is a reasonable profit of some sort, well IMO, it's just back to the whole shareholders/more more more/greed side of things.
Mozaktly!
(I would remove the word "sometimes", though.)
...and Ilford seems like they have tried to do this. Their appeal to me is not that I view their films as superior to Kodak's. It is that they have a far more complete "total solution" for film photographers. There are a few gaps, but nowhere near as gaping as Kodak's...and in the past few years, they have filled in gaps more than enlarging them, as Kodak has done.
Interesting comment. On the last tour in Oct 2008 I think it was Simon Galley who said that Ilford Satin paper sold in very small volumes compared to Pearl and Glossy and yet there has been no indication that Satin is about to be discontinued. Maybe because it is part of the "paper family" which Ilford sees as being valued as a family by consumers who are then more loyal so a near break even or slight loss product actually cements the customer to the company and makes economic sense when not regarded as a single unit.
pentaxuser
The thing that ticks me off the most about this is the Kodak sabotage....So, I think the lack of demand was artificially manufactured by refusing to ship it, not that no one uses it any more....
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