Compositional Paralysis?

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“Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools.”
Group Captain Sir Douglas Robert Stuart Bader CBE, DSO & Bar, DFC & Bar, FRAeS, DL

Darrell Martinie ( the cosmic muffin ) used to say something very similar ..
"It is a wise person who rules the stars, a fool who is ruled by them"

and it has nothing to do with putting oneself in harms way ...
 
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He's the numpty who flew into Heathrow, announced on radio he was approaching and landed without following air traffic instructions or entering the stack and waiting for his slot. People who break rules like that are fools.

When was this? As I have never heard of this incident.
 

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When was this? As I have never heard of this incident.

After the war. I don't know when exactly when but I was told by an RAF Captain/Navigator friend of mine who said he became a royal PITA after the war and they eventually took his flying license away from him. He thought he could do anything he wanted because he was Bader.
This is what what happens when you build someone up as a war hero for propaganda and publicity purposes.
 

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Are you sure this is correct? Or just what your friend said?
 
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I've always liked this one.

“Now to consult the rules of composition before making a picture is a little like consulting the law of gravitation before going for a walk. Such rules and laws are deduced from the accomplished fact; they are the products of reflection.” – Edward Weston

And then............


“When subject matter is forced to fit into preconceived patterns, there can be no freshness of vision. Following rules of composition can only lead to a tedious repetition of pictorial cliches.” – Edward Weston
 

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Are you sure this is correct? Or just what your friend said?

It's what I was told, I have no idea of the accuracy of it but I also have no reason to dispute it. I'll leave that to you.
 

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careful spreading notions like this it may lead to people down the path of creative thinking and we all know
no one should ever do anything "outside the box" ...
 
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I wouldn't call it crap of thirds, as for some it is a good guide, which for some, it is all it is meant to be.

http://www.soulcatcherstudio.com/exhibitions/trees/hcb.html
 

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why isn't there a camera which uses the golden rectangle ratio (1 : 1.618) as it film format?
 

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why isn't there a camera which uses the golden rectangle ratio (1 : 1.618) as it film format?

Because as Hasselblad said in its ads, "Square is the perfect shape."
 

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Sound advice[emoji3]
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Just leave out the C-51 reference for this thread.
 

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why isn't there a camera which uses the golden rectangle ratio (1 : 1.618) as it film format?

I actually have one. It uses a paper holder that has two different window mats that can be inserted. The first is 5.3 x 9 inches, and the second is 5.9 x 10 inches. These are the same aspect ratio as 122 "postcard" format. If I leave out the window mat, the opening in the holder is 6.3 x 10 which is your golden rectangle. I have only used it that way a few times, since I prefer the postcard ratio.....
 

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Here's my take on rules - I was a music major in college and the more I "learned" about music, the more mathematical it became. Suddenly, instead of art, music became a math problem. It kind of ruined the art form for me. Art should be "free flowing" and not so mathematically rigid. So, instead of following them religiously, I consider rules as potential problem solvers when needed and not definitive guides that every picture must follow. In other words, toss the calculator out the window.
 

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I was a mathematics major in college, and I agree with you. It takes a conscious effort for me not to let it intrude on pinhole photography, which should be free-flowing and playful and almost carefree.
 

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How does mathematics work with the guitar work of Jimi Hendrix?
 
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Just don't expect perfection and keep shooting. Just work past your paralysis. I have to shoot a lot of crap to get the good ones. Shooting will unclog your creative pores.
 

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I´d like to say my opinion. I agree completely with the idea that compositin should not be overthought. I approach this in a way that works for me and it´s very simple, and that is I look at the viewfinder to see what is going to be on film. I press the shutter only when I like what I see. This can sound stupid, it does even for me, but I don´t really think much about the elements of the image, I try to observe and then I somehow know when I am seeing a pleasing (for me) composition. My photographs have improved since I started and I think this has happened not necessarily because I think more and more about the elements of the image, but because I am a better observer and I realize it becomes always more and more refined what I find pleasing. Maybe this is not the most rational way to deal with the graphical aspects of photography, but on the other hand my main concern is not to be able to produce estetically perfect images, rather images I myself like to look at.
 

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Fantastic!!


OP,

Train yourself to look for what looks good in an image. Whether looking at art or looking at your own/other's images.
Unless you're someone who's prone to learning by the 'rules',
Throw them out of your mind as far away as possible. Anything self-taught stays with you longer than whatever you can learn from 'rules'.
 

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I learned composition by reading about it. Then I went back to my previous pictures and studied them, and some were decent as they were, but with many of them I went back in the darkroom and cropped to give them more "interest", which good composition will often do. Initially I shot a lot of balanced, pretty pictures but after I played with cropping especially, I started to get the rhythm of a picture, movement, tension, and a far more dynamic print.

And soon I noticed that subconsciously I was getting better composition full frame, so to speak, and I did far less cropping. But in your example is does sound like you spend a fair bit of time thinking about composition while looking through the viewfinder, and the issue I have with that type of analysis, is that you don't always get to shoot with larger formats and tripods and have the time to analyze that way. Sports, street photography and people photography does not often have the luxury or extended time overplanning a shot. That was my point.
 

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I learned composition from books and studying art. I know the various rules, but I take the photograph when the composition feels right for me. That works real well.
 
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