Nice that you put the two sets of curves on a single plot.
Now I'm curious and tempted to do actual measurements...
Foma at grade 3 doesn't do a particularly good job at differentiating shadow values, and a similar effect in the highlights at grade 00. For some, these may be reasons to disqualify this paper.
Edit: I typed grade 5, but should have been 3.
Looking a bit closer, grade 3 on foma is essentially somethin like a grade 1 in the shadows and a grade 5 in midtones and highlights. They seem to have some issues with interactions between emulsions going on these graphs. A fomabrom dataset I quickly pulled up doesn't show this effect. Where did you get these data?
Yes there is! See: https://www.fotoimport.no/filmtest/filmFP4.htmlIt would interesting so see this kind of comparison on films too.
None; I made one. The datasheet I pulled up turned out to be the one for graded Fomabrom, which shows more linear curves..... and the real question is: what mistake did I make?
Basically it's a matter of looking at the curves and then specifically at a few properties:Koraks: I would be interested how did you come into those conclusions based on my plotting - it would be nice to learn this (too).
Yes, foma grade 5 tracks Ilford grade 5 quite well, but a distinct difference is in the shoulder (shadows) of the Ilford which would have more 'pop'. You can't say much about exposure as both sets of curves are relative to just reaching some density for both papers. You'd have to do some exposure tests to get an absolute comparison. The reason why the foma curve is shifted to the right is because a little more of the toe is included in the plot.
Although I haven't made measurements of graphs of papers, I have found by trial and (much) error that I like a moderately low contrast negative (with adequate to generous exposure) so I can use a VC setting of at least moderate to a bit high contrast.
Yes there is! See: https://www.fotoimport.no/filmtest/filmFP4.html
Select a film and compare developers, pairwise. Or select a developer and compare films, pairwise. My conclusion from these curves is that there are a few bad combination, most are OK, and there is no silver bullet; so, I can stop looking for it.
.....Could you explain why you like low contrast negative on VC papers, I didn't understand reason for it from the paper.
A good start would be to just have some good actual measurements of a few papers. But...time consuming, and while I like peering at charts, I don't much like performing endless tests
So I've measured the curves for Fomabrom Variant 111, which is the paper I use.Now I'm curious and tempted to do actual measurements...
That is not supported by y measurementy of Grade 0. Possibly because Mr Nicholas Lindan has something to sell?Nicholas' Lindan's paper is really useful, but you shouldn't let it scare you!
There are a large number of individual things one can take from it, but if you wan't just one, it could be that historically VC papers responded a bit better (in many cases) to more exposure from blue light and less exposure from green light - i.e. a higher rather than a lower "grade" of filtration.
The paper mentions the "flat spot" in the mid-tones when one uses low contrast filtration.
What does that mean? Difficult? Easy? Where did you hear that?...Only thing I remember hearing is that HP5+ is great work printing...
I don't follow.Few of the papers we have compared here work best at low contrast filter and that is one of the reasons why the negatives needs to be enough dense so that we shouldn't need to use higher contrast filters
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