Holy Moly! I cannot believe how much this thread has grown and how it has diverged from Scott's initial point. Scott's initial point was not that nudes should not be in the gallery, or that people should not "feel" something when looking at them. It wasn't even that they shouldn't ogle. It was...that they should control what they say publicly! Cripes, guys... you argue about your "rights" to do this, and your "rights" to do that, but for Pete's sake, can't you control what you type openly??? I mean, if you want to send a pm to the photographer and say "Man, I'd love to carry your equipment around," or "dang, how do I get a job as your assistant so I can hang around gorgeous naked women", that's fine... send the pm. But don't type that sort of thing openly.
It's not about your "rights," it's not about your sexual preference, it's not about "boys being boys" it's about having a little respect for the rest of this population. I agree with DrPablo... it's much easier to type if you use more than one "appendage." Grow up (past 14) or not, that's each person's decision, but exercise a wee bit of civility.
Peggy Lipton....yummmm....
It was??
Have you visited your nearby Borders lately?
On my last visit, I discovered a volume compiled - and dedicated to - the "Tiajuana Bibles" - those definitely pornographic, crudely drawn, comic books of the '40's and '50's - with a *very* innocent (looking, at least) girl deeply engrossed in reading it.
The photograph, IMO, was hardly "provocative" other than the fact it provoked many "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" comments of which you are complaining. More so than ANY nude female photograph has on this site in my memory. Including those from you Scott, the poster. ("I don't want to "touch" that one...") ("... I wish... to be that thin, and that well endowed...) ("He really is that big.")I'd be happy to show you multiple examples from the galleries of female nudes that are equally as provocative/suggestive as my one image, but draw NO negative commentary.
Holy Moly! I cannot believe how much this thread has grown and how it has diverged from Scott's initial point. Scott's initial point was not that nudes should not be in the gallery, or that people should not "feel" something when looking at them. It wasn't even that they shouldn't ogle. It was...that they should control what they say publicly! Cripes, guys... you argue about your "rights" to do this, and your "rights" to do that, but for Pete's sake, can't you control what you type openly??? I mean, if you want to send a pm to the photographer and say "Man, I'd love to carry your equipment around," or "dang, how do I get a job as your assistant so I can hang around gorgeous naked women", that's fine... send the pm. But don't type that sort of thing openly.
It's not about your "rights," it's not about your sexual preference, it's not about "boys being boys" it's about having a little respect for the rest of this population. I agree with DrPablo... it's much easier to type if you use more than one "appendage." Grow up (past 14) or not, that's each person's decision, but exercise a wee bit of civility.
Case in point, you "boys" have managed to pretty much trivialise every comment made by the women who posted here... with the exception of Cheryl. Gee. Go figure.:rolleyes:
...You're not arguing for freedom of thought, you're arguing for freedom FROM thought.
That statement requires an acceptance comple... nearly completely, contrary to my experience. How did you reach that conclusion? Do you have any support for that statement - survey results, analyses of of written opinions ... "Kinsey" - type reports ...? What?
That is one tremendous example of a sweeping generality. I disagree, but it would be an enormous task to offer anything even remotely acceptable as a support for MY view, and I will suggest you would have the same burden. "Everyone else" - are you referring to the 20K+ participants in APUG, North American USAens, the population of the entire Earth...?
The photograph, IMO, was hardly "provocative" other than the fact it provoked many "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" comments of which you are complaining. More so than ANY nude female photograph has on this site in my memory. Including those from you Scott, the poster. ("I don't want to "touch" that one...") ("... I wish... to be that thin, and that well endowed...) ("He really is that big.")
"Hypocrisy?"?
Ouch! Stings like Murder Ball.This is filed right next to another study from the CDC showing the majority of Americans despise people so lacking in social skills that their sole response to others' social intuition is a childlike demand for published evidence.
Just being one of the boys... I understand. Sorry, but I still don't really see the difference.I laughed along with them so they wouldn't think I was some kind of uber-serious uptight ass.
Yes, actually, I have a survey from a CDC working group of the entire population of the United States that unanimously supports my statement that we don't enjoy listening to one another's internal sex dialogue. Interestingly there is an APUG subgroup in the study that does not differ from the general population.
This is filed right next to another study from the CDC showing the majority of Americans despise people so lacking in social skills that their sole response to others' social intuition is a childlike demand for published evidence.
Just being one of the boys... I understand. Sorry, but I still don't really see the difference.
Jeanette, at the risk of being accused of trivialising your comment (which is not my intent), can you point to anywhere that anyone has said, "Man, I'd love to carry your equipment around," or "dang, how do I get a job as your assistant so I can hang around gorgeous naked women"? I agree that if anyone were to say that then that could be seen as excessively crude, but I've never seen anything like that here.
Jeanette, at the risk of being accused of trivialising your comment (which is not my intent), can you point to anywhere that anyone has said, "Man, I'd love to carry your equipment around," or "dang, how do I get a job as your assistant so I can hang around gorgeous naked women"? I agree that if anyone were to say that then that could be seen as excessively crude, but I've never seen anything like that here.
It's well established that many more technical comments are made when the picture is of a pretty woman, and that many comments compliment the model. But those are in a completely different league from the examples you've just quoted.
I have no answer to your question, but I am left to wonder if you arent forgetting that you attempt to employ the former at every opportunity.Ouch! Stings like Murder Ball.
So a question to anyone that knows the answer to this: Is a veiled personal attack masked within very clever and witty intellectual prose acceptable but "Now I know why I turn my A/C off during a model shoot - nyuck-nyuck-nyuck" not? Because the latter is crude and the former quite elegantly written (I thought it was quite brilliant actually)?
Regards, Art.
So a question to anyone that knows the answer to this: Is a veiled personal attack masked within very clever and witty intellectual prose acceptable...
Since a lot of us are visual learners maye someone could post some new illustrative examples supporting the various views and arguments of this thread. :confused:
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