colour infrared film

wilfbiffherb · Nov 21, 2010

does anybody know where i can source some 120 colour infrared film? from what i can gather its rarer than unicorn tears!!

perkeleellinen · Nov 21, 2010

Email Dean Bennici: bennici@tarquinius.de

Athiril · Nov 21, 2010

I've been experimenting with regular C-41 for IR, first test shows a small amount of success so far (see my gallery).

Although ISO 400 film has been reduced to EI 0.017 though and still needs more exposure.

Ektachrome Infrared in 120 can be found on ebay still I think, its quite expensive per roll, as its cut down by hand by someone iirc.

Anon Ymous · Nov 22, 2010

Athiril said:
...Ektachrome Infrared in 120 can be found on ebay still I think, its quite expensive per roll, as its cut down by hand by someone iirc.

By the guy that Steve mentioned, Dean Benici. The problem is that he uses KODAK AEROCHROME III Infrared Film 1443, which was recently discontinued.

perkeleellinen · Nov 22, 2010

I got an email from Dean last week, he's secured some more Aerochrome which is fresh (exp: 2011), he thinks he'll get 400 rolls out of it.

thegman · Nov 22, 2010

Hi all, just wondering, this IR colour film, is it run through the usual C41 process? i.e. can I give it to a high street lab?

Thanks

Garry

perkeleellinen · Nov 22, 2010

It's slide film so it needs the E6 process. You can cross process it if you want.

wilfbiffherb · Nov 22, 2010

if you cross process it how much colour alteration do you get? i only ask as i process c41 at home but not e6. dont want to ruin the film as its expensive!

sandholm · Nov 22, 2010

wilfbiffherb said:
if you cross process it how much colour alteration do you get? i only ask as i process c41 at home but not e6. dont want to ruin the film as its expensive!

Short answear, if you can process C-41 at home you can process E-6. Most important is the temperature (Jobo is good but not a must).

Here is a really good guide:
http://www.firstcall-photographic.co.uk/userfiles/file/how_to_process_a_slide_film.pdf

cheers

AgX · Nov 22, 2010

For C-41 development one should modify the C-41 processing (opinions on the degree of variation differ...)

We should not forget that people here are using such film typically for a "crazy effect", thus something as standard development is questionable anyway.
It would be different when one employs that film scientifically or for surveying. Then the development should yield results similar to the ones done in standard processing.

In this case E-6 is NOT the standard process either.

Casey Kidwell · Nov 22, 2010

The old Kodak Ektachrome IR was E4 process I believe.

holmburgers · Nov 22, 2010

Get it while you can from Dean. It's like $24 a roll, but it's well worth it, especially compared to the ridiculous price of EIR on eBay in 35mm.

Go to his website, check out his and other's flickr pictures with the stuff... it's great and it's soon to be extinct!

I've got four rolls in my freezer right now.

Photo Engineer · Nov 22, 2010

Cross processed IR film gives exceptionally unusual images. IDK if it tolerates C41 or not. It depends on the temperature sensitivity of the film, but it is great.

No ordinary color film can give even similar results to EIR. This is due to the color shifts introduced into the film. The layers are cross sensitive to the colors they produce. This is not true of C41 films used as IR films, nor is it true of digital IR.

PE

wilfbiffherb · Nov 22, 2010

i got 2 rolls ordered. now to look into which filter to get...

holmburgers · Nov 22, 2010

(orange)

perkeleellinen · Nov 22, 2010

Yellow is also good. In the past I had some success with a Cokin sepia filter.

Athiril · Nov 22, 2010

Photo Engineer said:
Cross processed IR film gives exceptionally unusual images. IDK if it tolerates C41 or not. It depends on the temperature sensitivity of the film, but it is great.

No ordinary color film can give even similar results to EIR. This is due to the color shifts introduced into the film. The layers are cross sensitive to the colors they produce. This is not true of C41 films used as IR films, nor is it true of digital IR.

PE

I have one roll of real EIR, and one of HIE in my fridge.

I just cant find anything to use them on.. it'd be a shame to waste them.

iirc it's AR-5 process (The EIR). I'll have to check the box again. But it states AR-5 or E-6.

frobozz · Dec 2, 2010

I had inquired with Dean about a typo in the price on his website (It said $4.50 a roll, I was gonna buy a bunch! It was supposed to be $24.50) and so I was on his mailing list when he sent out a mail earlier this week warning that he only has 70 rolls left unspoken for from this batch. I just ordered 8. He said the earliest he would be doing another batch (if ever) is next March.

Duncan

holmburgers · Dec 2, 2010

Dang.. I wonder where he keeps finding the stuff? I guess from aerial labs and what not who are no longer offering the service.

Good going though!

I hate to say it, but I wonder how much this stuff will go for in say, 5 years. I don't plan to hoard mine for a profit, but you know that someone out there is doing it. And for the prices of 35mm stuff... well jeez, let's just say those folks could save money by buying an MF camera.

AgX · Dec 2, 2010

Anyone could buy a single roll from a designated Kodak dealer. Then it was up to him to convert it and get permission from Kodak to retail it.

holmburgers · Dec 2, 2010

Well he keeps coming up with them, after the discontinuation. I doubt he's still getting them from Kodak, but who knows.

alan doyle · Jan 11, 2011

eir or aerochrome...

not a good idea to use a high street c41 lab for this stuff
infrared pickup machine sensors fog a lovely line down the middle

the best results are e6..
if you do not do it yourself give it too a pro lab dip with a dip dunk machine.
tell them at least 3 times what it is...no infrared googles or camera lights to be used.
1443 aerochrome can look fantastic in standard e6 process.

holmburgers · Jan 11, 2011

By the way, Dean emailed that he has new stock. Could already be gone, but worth a shot....

frobozz · Jan 11, 2011

holmburgers said:
By the way, Dean emailed that he has new stock. Could already be gone, but worth a shot....

I think he still has some, though he's looking to close it out pretty much now, so hurry!

I'm getting some of his 8x10 sheets from this order, which I'll cut down to 4x5. Of course I'll test with the 120 first to make sure I know what I've got a handle on it before committing those expensive sheets to the process!

Duncan

d235j · Jan 11, 2011

I have an old roll of Kodak EIR (E4 process) that was kept refrigerated. Is it good for anything, or just a curiosity piece / collector's item?

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