the dry plate tintype developer sold by rockland colloid it is a monobath bleaching developer. it develops and stains and bleaches the image. fixer afterwards fully fixes the image. there were lots of companies that sold their own proprietary reversal (bleaching) developers, and if you dig on the internet hard enough you might find some.
i have never seen joe use harman dp paper in his afgan camera, seems like the charm of rephotographing the negative or making the in-camera contact print would be lost if using dp paper. LOL. no point in that !
In the hopes of clearing this up, here is a copy of the MSDS safety sheet for Rockland tintype developer. I'm hoping this is the right one. If I grabbed the wrong sheet let me know:
https://www.freestylephoto.biz/static/pdf/msds/rocklandcolloid/1832016_Tintype_Kit.pdf
It lists the following ingredients:
My understanding of the role of each of these:
- SODIUM CARBONATE, MONOHYDRATE; INGREDIANT 1+INGREDIANT 2=50-55%
- SODIUM CARBONATE, ANHYDROUS;INGREDIANT 1+INGREDIANT 2=50-55%.
- SODIUM SULFITE
- HYDROQUINONE (SARA III)
- P-METHYLAMINOPHENOL SULFATE (METOL)
- METAPHOSPHORIC ACID, HEXASODIUM SALT
- POTASSIUM BROMIDE
Now apparently low sulfite hydroquinone developers can be made to be staining. Not remotely so much as pyro can, and this is not a low sulfite mix ( https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/hydroquinone-staining-formulas.21752/ ).
- Anti Oxidation for the developer. Also tends to change the grain structure of the result because silver halides slowly dissolve during development
- Anti Oxidation for the developer. Also tends to change the grain structure of the result because silver halides slowly dissolve during development
- Agent that helps the hydroquinone recharge the Metol. Might also prevent gelatin hardening at certain concentrations.
- Developing Agent. The Q of an MQ developer.
- Developing Agent. The M of an MQ developer.
- Unsure of this one. It seems to be used to prevent calcium precipitation but I'm unsure why this is here. It does not appear to be a bleach or a stain.
- Anti-fogging agent. Allows the non-exposed areas to clear out
So maybe more skilled people would know otherwise, but this seems like a fairly standard developer. I don't see any bleaching compound in this, and I don't see anything that would produce enough of a stain to be of much effect to my understanding (could be wrong of course). Wet plate uses different developers with different active agents but they don't seem to be relying on a different mechanism. That's not to say that there are not other specialized developers that do something different. That's not to say I've not misread things some how, and this developer works differently than I thought. But as it is, these seems like a pretty standard developer acting the same way as wetplate tintype developer, but being a more modern formulation.
Thoughts?
if you go to the rockland colloid website and look at their msds
you will see ammonium thiocyanate.
in the application it is being used with the reversal developer it bleaches the image. like any strong fixer will do if you leave a print in it. ( at least that is what I have been told by people with a chemistry background )Still not a bleaching agent, though it is a very fast fixer. It makes the stuff a monobath, nothing very special about it.
It sounds like at some point Rockland may have reformulated their developer from a fairly standard developer (though of the correct strength to give a tintype style image), to a fairly standard monobath and Freestyle never updated their MSDS sheets.in the application it is being used with the reversal developer it bleaches the image. like any strong fixer will do if you leave a print in it. ( at least that is what I have been told by people with a chemistry background )
I'm not quite understanding. I thought physical development was a term where the silver for the image comes primarily from the developer rather than the emulsion. I've seen electron microscope views and the physically developed sliver looks like little balls where as non-physically developed looks more like a pile of metal shavings. But I don't see how the term applies here as there is no silver nitrate in the developer (and no halide while it's fresh)....proposed mechanism with early partial fixing supporting solution physical development
I have a copy of that book (I've got an interest in both Lippmann and Holography but don't see being able to scratch that itch til I don't live in an apartment) and will look it up. Your description is quite good though. I hadn't really known about solution-physical developers til this thread. Thanks so much.Ah, I think J3 beat me to the punch here. There used to be a really good passage from Hans Bjelkhagen's book, "Silver-Halide Recording Materials: For Holography and Their Processing" that described the differences between physical, solution-physical and chemical developers...
So, it sounds like this "special developer" came about more or less by accident. Product naming suggests that the tintype emulsion has higher silver content than, say, Liquid Light. I wonder what you'd get if you develop Liquid Light or a common film emulsion in the tintype developer? A "weak" tintype/ambrotype? Or could you get a tintype-like result by developing an old-technology film (say, Fomapan or some leftover Forte stock) in Rockland tintype developer?
a few people are fiddling around with this formula and trying to make it a little less finicky...
have fun, and maybe post your formula in the thread ? would be a great resource for everyone trying this process !
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