cloud storage ?...hope mentioning cloud doesn't scare anybody

[darkosaric]

Make prints, put them in a box, and write what they are on the back in pencil. It's worked for more than a century.

+100!
This is what I am saying to my friends who shot digital - it is not important do you use film or digital, important is that you make prints.

 

[jtk]

My OT inspired panic an all the usual knee jerking. Sorry about that

It didn't occur to the knee-jerkers that thinking types (like me) back up the files they have PRINTED, and that cloud just might be a good bet for backup. Can back up scans of negs too.

...and no. The cloud isn't somebody else's computer. Thinking types know that.

As for peoples anxiety about scanning... it's easy as pie if you've got the basic tools, takes almost no skills. Lots better than contact sheets, easier to manage and waaay better than using a loup. Not to mention that scanning properly results in something that prints with greater detail than any optical system can (save perhaps point light source).

 

[jtk]

Don't have a smartphone. Can't afford it. Just use a $75 a year TracFone with no cam from Walmart.

What I don't like about the cloud is if you are behind a month paying they delete all your photos.

That's false info....and you don't need a smartphone to use a cloud.

 

[pdeeh]

My OT inspired panic an all the usual knee jerking

...and no. The cloud isn't somebody else's computer. Thinking types know that.

Gosh you're a touchy soul, and passive-aggressive to boot.

Now, while we're here, let's have a little explainer from you how "the cloud" isn't someone else's computers.

You can do it in words of one syllable for those of us who are "non-thinkers".

 

[Agulliver]

I've been on the interwebs since before Mr Berners-Lee invented the www...long enough to see all but a few providers of services come & go and to see them all as nothing more than short term.

While I live in the UK and even with our current heat wave the chances of fires is low.....I still say that the most secure backup is the system which has preserved all my documents back to 1991. I regularly back up to two sets of non-networked HDDs. One set lives in the house and the other in a garage down the road. If one building burns down, hopefully the other is safe. I have every single electronic document I've generated since 1991 successfully backed up in this way. And because the drives are not networked (except when temporarily connected to the PC for the latest backup) I do not worry about the data protection laws in whatever backwater the cloud is registered in.

 

[jtk]

+100!
This is what I am saying to my friends who shot digital - it is not important do you use film or digital, important is that you make prints.

Gosh you're a touchy soul, and passive-aggressive to boot.

Now, while we're here, let's have a little explainer from you how "the cloud" isn't someone else's computers.

You can do it in words of one syllable for those of us who are "non-thinkers".

Google. It isn't my job.

 

[hoffy]

The cloud is not the be all and end all solution, but can be part of an archival strategy.

While I don't explicitly use a cloud service yet, I have investigated a few. As I don't mind tinkering under the hood, AWS s3 Glacier is a good "don't need it now" pure archival solution.
The other one, that I pay for already is Flickr.

 

[jtk]

+100!
This is what I am saying to my friends who shot digital - it is not important do you use film or digital, important is that you make prints.

Darko, fwiw I don't consider any of "my" photos actually mine until I've (personally) printed them. Same with my family's photos from the late 1800s and Korea etc.
So your advice to friends makes sense to me...and you're on the right track IMO by publishing your photos online, per the note under your signature block.

 

[blockend]

Thinking types know that.

You clearly have the advantage on us there.

As for peoples anxiety about scanning... it's easy as pie if you've got the basic tools, takes almost no skills.

Very little skill but inordinate amounts of time. A few sheets of 35mm at 3200dpi/ppi can easily swallow a morning with the afternoon spotting in Photoshop. As dull a waste of time as any yet invented.

scanning properly results in something that prints with greater detail than any optical system can (save perhaps point light source).

It's easier still to shoot digital. No grain, greater resolution and the convenience of digital input to output. On the other hand I've been optical printing for decades, have the requisite skill and can produce a silver print with archival permanence and social currency.
Care to explain where cloud storage takes place if not on someone's hard drive?

 

[jtk]

You clearly have the advantage on us there.

Very little skill but inordinate amounts of time. A few sheets of 35mm at 3200dpi/ppi can easily swallow a morning with the afternoon spotting in Photoshop. As dull a waste of time as any yet invented.

It's easier still to shoot digital. No grain, greater resolution and the convenience of digital input to output. On the other hand I've been optical printing for decades, have the requisite skill and can produce a silver print with archival permanence and social currency.
Care to explain where cloud storage takes place if not on someone's hard drive?

Cloud storage doesn't "take place" in any sort of "where" any more than Google does. I can help you with your spotting problem if you PM me (it doesn't involve PS).

 

[jtk]

The cloud is not the be all and end all solution, but can be part of an archival strategy.

While I don't explicitly use a cloud service yet, I have investigated a few. As I don't mind tinkering under the hood, AWS s3 Glacier is a good "don't need it now" pure archival solution.
The other one, that I pay for already is Flickr.

I've never used Flickr..good looking, fun...seems like more of a show & tell tool...if it's easily searchable and has massive storage capacity...and can be used for printing from large TIFFs (like Cloud) it might be an answer. Does it have that capability?

 

[blockend]

Cloud storage doesn't "take place" in any sort of "where" any more than Google does. I can help you with your spotting problem if you PM me (it doesn't involve PS).

You're not telling us where cloud storage takes place. A binary digital source requires binary digital storage. Cloud is a euphemism for a non-local storage system. It doesn't involve water vapour at any point.

Thanks for the offer but I have analogue and digital spotting covered. If you can tell me a way to speed up high resolution scanning to a few seconds a negative without investing a few thousand £ in memory, that would be good.

 

[BAC1967]

What filter should I use for the cloud?

 

[DWThomas]

You think your family in 100 years time are going to be looking through your digital archive of half a million pics? They'll be too busy catching rats to eat and gathering rags to wear.

+1! Sure lookin' that way.

 

[DWThomas]

Make prints, put them in a box, and write what they are on the back in pencil. It's worked for more than a century.

True! But indeed, make sure it's pencil -- one very near and dear person of my previous generation used ballpoint which after a decade or three stacked in their attic printed through to the emulsion side of the next prints so we could see "Restaurant at Throckmorton Gap" in backwards cursive across the sky of a lovely shot of a waterfall, etc.

 

[ReginaldSMith]

You're not telling us where cloud storage takes place. A binary digital source requires binary digital storage. Cloud is a euphemism for a non-local storage system. It doesn't involve water vapour at any point.

I just spit my coffee out my nose! Thanks @blockend!

 

[blockend]

I just spit my coffee out my nose! Thanks @blockend!

But still no answer.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

Cloud storage is nothing but on-line access to redundant file system.
Don't know why OP is not realizing what Flickr is exactly this.
It allows simple and controlled upload, tags, albums, non-visibility and to be any size.

 

[jtk]

But still no answer.

Blockend, my OT was clear enough. I didn't post that OT expecting to teach people about the Internet.

If you want to know how the cloud works, Google.

 

[FujiLove]

Cloud storage doesn't "take place" in any sort of "where" any more than Google does.

Priceless.

 

[jtk]

Blockend, I posted OT asking for experiences, didn't think I'd have to teach about the cloud. Plenty of teaching is available via Google.

Cloud storage is nothing but on-line access to redundant file system.
Don't know why OP is not realizing what Flickr is exactly this.
It allows simple and controlled upload, tags, albums, non-visibility and to be any size.

Blockend,

Guess you didn't read the OT...I mentioned Flickr there.

So you know, some cloud front ends are optimized for file searches and for downloading for printing...that's where Flickr can be inadequate.

Do you use Flickr to store your backups for later printing?

As well, typical cloud systems work as well with written material, music, technical/graphic work, and videos as with photos.

I don't know about you, but I have business and personal info as well as my own audio recordings and various email records, as well as photos, on hard drives now. I'd like to back them all up in the cloud. Flickr isn't up to that kind of task.

If I only wanted someplace to show photos online I'd use Zenfolio or similar, rather than Flickr. Are you familiar with Zenfolio?

 

[pdeeh]

I think this thread is going really well.

 

[pdeeh]

"Google. It isn't my job."

I genuinely have only ever seen this response from trolls on twitter who either don't have a clue what they're talking about, or who are being deliberately disingenuous because they've been caught out and are trying to divert attention from their having made a foolish statement.

My experience is that admitting error publicly is both refreshing to the soul and invites people to view you as reliable and trustworthy.

On the other hand ...

 

[moose10101]

Google. It isn't my job.

You're claiming that the cloud operates without computers? I think people on this thread understand the difference between "storage" and "processing", so why not just answer the direct question instead of deflecting?

 

[pdeeh]

What filter should I use for the cloud?

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