How important are:
- Aperture priority auto exposure
- Battery dependance
- Viewfinder options
- Lens cost/selection
flajcsi,
Find each of the camera models and hold them. How does each on feel? Is this one too large for my hands? Is that one too small for my hands. How does it feel to make settings, focus, fire the shutter and advance the film. Those questions will tell you more about which camera is best for you than any posts on the internet. A camera is a very personal tool, so get personal with each model before you invest in one.
This only comes from years selling cameras.
Siriusly!
1. I don't really trust, better manual, but can help sometimes.
2. I prefer without any depenence
3. No preference
4. High quality primes.
Thank for all of you for the help. Some of you mentioned Medium Format. It's good to know that I have future plans for Medium Format (Mamiya RZ67 II or Contax 645 maybe Hasselblad), but for now I would like to improve my knownledge on 35mm.
Do you think it's better to jump right to Medium Format?
Which of these 35mm has better lens coverage and quality at a reasonable price?
Again the size and weight of a camera is not important for me, the quality of the machine and my knowledge has a higher priority.
More details from manuals can be found at Butkus Camera Manual Library
- Fujica ST801 - No aperture priority and no battery dependance except for meter only. M42 screw mount lens.
- Nikon FM3A - Has aperture priority with batteries but full shutter range available without due to the hybrid shutter mechanism. Newest on the list and likely in better shape. Body alone is most likely out of your price range.
- Nikon FM2 T - No aperture priority and no battery dependance except for meter only. Body alone is most likely out of your price range.
- Nikon F2 AS - No aperture priority and no battery dependance except for meter only. Body alone is likely out of your price range.
- Nikon F3 - Has aperture priority with batteries but limited functionality without. Interchangeable viewfinder and screens.
- Canon F1 - No aperture priority and no battery dependance except for meter only. Interchangeable viewfinder and screens.
- Canon AE-1 - Has shutter priority and is fully dependent on battery.
- Canon A 1 - Has aperture and shutter priority and is fully dependent on battery.
- Contax RTS III - Modern SLR without autofocus and is fully dependent on batteries.
- Contax G2 - Modern rangefinder with autofocus that is fully dependent on batteries.
- Leica M3 - No aperture priority and no battery dependance. Body alone is most likely out of your price range.
- Pentax LX - Has aperture priority with batteries but X sync to 1/2000 shutter speeds available without. Full system support. Interchangeable viewfinder and screens. Only camera that can autoexpose for as long as it takes - or batteries drain.
- Pentax Spotmatic F - No aperture priority and no battery dependance except for meter only. M42 screw mount lens.
Mamiya RZ67 is excellent with exceptional lenses but definitely way out of your price range and is very heavy. 6X7 piece of film is very nice.
After a bit of searching and your responses I shorted the list down to these:
a. Canon F1
b. Nikon F2
c. Pentax LX
I didn't mentioned the other tags in their names (for ex. AS, N), because I'm not familiar with those yet.
What do you think about these? In some cases the price range can be expanded.
Any lens recommendation for these?
Thanks.
Do you think it's better to jump right to Medium Format?
After a bit of searching and your responses I shorted the list down to these:
a. Canon F1
b. Nikon F2
c. Pentax LX
I didn't mentioned the other tags in their names (for ex. AS, N), because I'm not familiar with those yet.
What do you think about these? In some cases the price range can be expanded.
Any lens recommendation for these?
Thanks.
Given that choice, I would go for the Nikon, if you ever decide to move into a DSLR you can use your manual lenses. Portraits and landscapes don't need auto focus lenses.
I'm a Pentax shooter and can comment on the LX. It is a wonderful camera, excellent ergonomics, (for me!) especially with the Grip B added. Very smooth acting wind, metering (center weighted) is very accurate and consistent. Auto exposure from about EV -6 to +20. As someone above commented auto exposures can run to many, many minutes. Since the meter reads off the film changes in lighting are compensated for, and there's no need for a viewfinder blind. The camera is weather sealed, although after so many years that may not be dependable.
Ideally you could handle examples of the three you mention. A camera is ideally a very personal possession, I'm sure many of us have bought a camera and never "warmed" to it. For example, the Pentax is quite small for a professional system camera, this may be a factor in your decision. I've found that the winder, which is not too hard to find, adds a little heft which is nice, and also furnishes power rewind. Pretty cool!
Now as with any camera there are downsides. Any old camera probably needs a professional CLA; I'm not sure Pentax is still servicing the LX. Eric Hendrickson in Tennessee is the Pentax expert, his charges are moderate, but the LX is intrinsically expensive to work on, especially if the integrity of the body seals is preserved. Beware the "sticky mirror" syndrome, in which the mirror action is very slow, or the mirror refuses to descend. A proper CLA would run about $150. As with any old camera be sure you can return it in case there's a problem. With the LX make sure the speeds below X sync work; they are electronically controlled and thus vulnerable. If it will furnish a timed proper exposure of, say, five minutes, it should be okay. BTW, X sync is only about 1/70 sec, pretty slow by today's standards. So it goes with a horizontally run titanium foil shutter, I suppose.
An operating LX in reasonable condition would cost probably $350 to $400.
While the LX can use hundreds of lenses, back to the first K mount, Pentax label lenses aren't as commonly available as, for example, Canon or Nikon. While the LX is a full system camera, finding a motor drive or a 250 exposure back for the LX is not easy, nor is finding the various system viewfinders, nor the interchangeable screens. BTW, while Ricoh uses a variant of the K mount it has an extra pin which can "lock" the lens onto the mount of a Pentax digital SLR. I don't know whether this applies to the LX. Like the Hassie the LX uses special lugs for the neck strap, if your purchase doesn't come with them there is a strap with compatible ends from B&H or Adorama. Not as attractive, however.
I also have a Pentax 645n, like Alan Gales says its like shooting with a big, noisy 35mm SLR. I'd suggest the 645n, which has a better viewfinder than the original 645, autofocus with confirmation beep/icon, film edge exposure imprinting, 16 exp per roll rather than 15, and a really intuitive operation. Wonderful lenses, but no third party producers. Note that the longest reasonably priced tele is 200mm, about like a 135mm on a 35mm camera. With a hard to find adaptor the 645 can use lenses from the Pentax 67, but that camera's long lenses are pretty costly. It uses inserts, so no mid-roll switching. BTW, the 220 inserts are usually cheaper than the 120 and are easily "converted" to 120 with a tiny screwdriver and a little care.
Ken Rockwell, so often dismissed, has a good "take" on the 645n and a few of its lenses.
Wow. Thank you for the detailed answer. It was very useful.
How about adapting m42 lenses?
IMHO you will go a long way to find a finder screen brighter then the one that comes on the Pentax LX. I really wish they would have kept on developing that camera. They really did a great job on the first model.
Hear, hear! They had a strong competitor to the Nikon F3 and then sat on their hands. What a shame! For all intents and purposes there was only one model, with minor running changes, the major being an increase in the top ASA from 1600 to 3200.IMHO you will go a long way to find a finder screen brighter then the one that comes on the Pentax LX. I really wish they would have kept on developing that camera. They really did a great job on the first model.
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