Change in Ilford MGWT tone?

[HMFriedman]

I have attempted to reprint an older image made on Ilford MGWT and notice a difference in the paper base "tone". The newer paper seems whiter or less cream colored, even in the unexposed border.

Have others shared this observation?

 

[rst]

I have attempted to reprint an older image made on Ilford MGWT and notice a difference in the paper base "tone". The newer paper seems whiter or less cream colored, even in the unexposed border.

Have others shared this observation?

Yes, that is also my experience. Newer paper has a whiter paper base.

ciao
-- Ruediger

 

[Ian Grant]

I hope there is a change, I may be more interested in switching if the creamy colour is gone.

Ian

 

[ooze]

I still have several dozen sheets of 8 year old MGWT. In my experience the newer version definitely has a whiter base.

 

[rst]

I hope there is a change, I may be more interested in switching if the creamy colour is gone.

I also like that change and will be satisfied once the paper base is bright white.

Ruediger

 

[dpurdy]

This change was some time back I think maybe as much as 3 years ago? The paper now is IMO indistinguishable from Oriental WT VC FB.

 

[Wolfgang Moersch]

I judge this change extremely positively. There is a disadvantage only for lithprinting. If nothing was altered besides the dye, there must be a connection between dyes and suitability for "Lith." Anyway, it is not impossible but more difficult now.
And if I want a bright base, I take Bergger CB - and hope for things may come.

 

[Chazzy]

I would prefer the creamier base. What's wrong with a warm base on a warmtone paper? There are plenty of white papers.

 

[Richard Jepsen]

I would throw my lot with a whiter base, perhaps like EMAKS with a warm/gray or warm/brown print tone. Oriental's fiber WT tint leans more to buff/creme.

 

[dpurdy]

I like a warm print and preferred the warmer Ilford but I have found you can always warm a print base by staining it slightly. In another thread I described putting black tea in my stop bath and have found that works really well and is variable. It doesn't seem to haze over the whites to me at all.

this one is very warmed in tea..
http://www.pbase.com/dpurdy/image/96968545

 

[Trevor Crone]

Certainly the recent stocks of MGWT is on a whiter base.

 

[AlanC]

The change happened about 3 years ago. I noticed it when I started using the paper again about a year ago. I contacted the technical department at Ilford and was told it had happened 2 years previously because of an enforced change in paper. I posted this at the time, and have assumed since then that all the people who complain about Ilford Warmtone's cream base have been using old stock.

Alan Clark

 

[Tom Stanworth]

This is good news as far as I cam concerned. In contrast to an earlier post I do not think there are mny warm papers out there with a whitish base. Agfa MCC was the champ with subtle warmness and superb performance all round - the champ of the lot! I HATED the old base and its pinkness but otherwise liked the pape, but due to the horrib base refused to use it any longer. Now that Forte PWT has vanished, there is no paper in the same just warm of neutral category. Certainly Foma has some warm papers with warm to very wamr bases for those who like that. me, I want a general purpose paper with all round application and a touch of warmth. Not liking the odl base, not wanting the warmth of Foma and with Forte gone (lovely base) things looked bad. I have not bought it in over 3 years so I lok forward to trying the new stuff! My now std cool/neautral paper is Kentmere fineprint (like a cooler Agfa MCC IMO). Makes MG4 look lifeless IMO.