Catechol and Hydroquinone, Are these Isomer's exchangeable? (i.e the same) in this formula?

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This is the holographic developer I got off of this paper: AO.23.000934
Determining what I actually need to buy, I looked and Catechol and Hydroquinone are literally the same atom wise but are oriented differently, apparently giving them different properties?

Do you think I should buy some Catechol or should I just use Hydroquinone? I am probably going to buy Catechol anyways, but what do you think?
 
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This recipe also. I also read somewhere on here that Hydroquinone could be used instead of the PBQ. I mean, is it not the potassium bromide that is doing the bleaching action?

Is this really true? The best holography developer is caffenol with some hydroquinone, sulfite and urea?

the emulsion is Lippmann emulsion btw
 

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but are oriented differently, apparently giving them different properties

That's effectively what an isomer is.

Given the institutional affiliations involved in the article, none of these will have been picked with flippancy. A fair assumption would be that all the isomers were tested.

As for 'caffenol', not really. The Urea is going to effectively act as a development accelerator via increasing emulsion swell - and it's going to be there to counteract the tendency of the tanning action of the Catechol so that development neither shrinks nor expands the emulsion.

Regarding the bleach, pg. 188 In Bjelkhagen's 'Silver-Halide Recording Materials For Holography and Their Processing' should answer your questions.
 
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Catechol and HQ are structural isomers, but the change of the -OH group from ortho to para substitution changes the redox activity and other properties that are relevant to its activity in a developer.

Catechol has staining and hardening properties that may be important in a holographic developer, but the significant amount of ascorbate present would reduce that activity, so it may not be as important.

Regarding the bleach, the potassium bromide's role is to provide free bromide ion for the oxidized silver to form a soluble AgBr that can then be removed by fixation. This is known as a rehalogenating bleach. The actual oxidizer in the bleach is the benzoquinone (aka p-BQ, quinone), or the oxidized form of hydroquinone. You can prepare benzoquinone from hydroquinone by oxidizing it with hydrogen peroxide in alcohol solution and filtering out the quinone crystals. Other oxidizers might work too, as is the case for more common photographic bleaches that use potassium ferricyanide.
 
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You can prepare benzoquinone from hydroquinone by oxidizing it with hydrogen peroxide in alcohol solution and filtering out the quinone crystals. Other oxidizers might work too, as is the case for more common photographic bleaches that use potassium ferricyanide.

Great to know! On filtering, how do you recommend filtering the crystals? arent they soluble in alcohol and hydrogen peroxide? I have a bunch of Potassium Ferricyanide that I use in the ECN2 color developer that I mix from the individual powders. I know that will can and will remove most if not all the silver though, as I have used it to reduce badly overexposed B&W film (adding in a bit of fixer too. Oddly enough older stuff works faster?)
I am still not exactly sure how the bleach works with the reflection hologram. Did I mention I was doing reflection holograms and not transmission? sorry
 
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" In Bjelkhagen's 'Silver-Halide Recording Materials For Holography and Their Processing' should answer your questions."

Do you know where I can find a PDF of that book online?
 

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Catechol has staining and hardening properties that may be important in a holographic developer, but the significant amount of ascorbate present would reduce that activity, so it may not be as important.

It's very much intended as a tanning (not necessarily staining) developer - the PBQ-2 bleach is reportedly intended to minimise stain.

Do you know where I can find a PDF of that book online?

You can find a preview on Google Books that covers the relevant pages about PBQ bleaches. I've made a screenshot below of the relevant parts of the text.
 

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" In Bjelkhagen's 'Silver-Halide Recording Materials For Holography and Their Processing' should answer your questions." Do you know where I can find a PDF of that book online?

Try university libraries. If you are in Ohio, and your library participates, try Ohio Link http://catalog.ohiolink.edu/iii/enc...rocessing__Orightresult__U?lang=eng&suite=def

Note that Ohio Link is down for the next month or so as they reorganize whatever it was that was disorganized.
 
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Mr. Young, do you know what the best developer / bleach for phase reflection holograms (like holograms of objects) as that is what I want to process. From what the passage says, it seems that the recipes I sent will work good enough for what I want to do.

Thank you Nicholas, I will have to check and see the closest place to me is the university of Cincinnati library.
 
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Is this what I need to do instead of fixing? I am still not sure if I need to fix the holograms or not? I read in that book preview that it would cause shrinkage
 
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