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Struan;
Many years ago, an early photographer made a color photo by placing a silver halide glass plate in contact with a pool of mercury which then set up diffraction rings in the coating. By proper illumination, the developed image was able to reproduce the original colors. I am not sure I remember who did it, my memory is faulty on this one, but they reportedly have one at George Eastman House but cannot diiplay or recreate it due to the use of an open pool of mercury. However, I think it should be possible to do by other means.
PE
One of the tough things about the subject is that theoretical descriptions are full of assumptions and simplifications, just to make the problem tractable. On the other hand, it leaves plenty of room for experimental discoveries.
...it's intriguing enough that I have started to assemble filters and film for some initial tests. The work gets shunted onto the back burner all too often though, so I'd love to hear of anything anyone else tries.
Interference is the correct word Ray. I was having another senior moment. This is what I had in mind, but GEH has some and they do not show them as they cannot use mercury. So, if you can suggest another method, this will do much of what Struan has posted.
PE
Colloidal silver can be almost any spectral colour. By varying the size and shape of a silver nanoparticle you can adjust the peak of it's reflectance right across the visible spectrum. It's a hot topic in current nanoscience.
Considering Struan's field, I would imagine he is aware of Lippmann's work, but perhaps not.
Martin, who also posts here occassionaly, can fill us in on more about Lippmann Photography, including the current status of a list devoted to it.
Ron - Don't worry about that little 'moment'... I was about to scream EUREKA! when, while reading Herschel's hand written notes, it became obvious that Herschel had observed and described the beautiful and amazing vivid colors that could be produced by interferance... He wrote:
" For a remarkable production of color by diffraction see [...]
This is an most singular phenonomon "
I was thinking he had beaten Lippmann by decades... that was untill I said to
myself: "NO! No way people could have missed such an important thing!" It took a few minutes but eventually I saw "diffraction" where once that "interference" had been so crystal clear!
Hummm...
OK, well now I am confused myself... again!
Two works:
Improvements in the Diffraction Process of Color Photography
Herbert E. Ives
(1906)
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Three-color Interference Pictures
Herbert E. Ives
(1907)
I think Martin could straighten this out...
Perhaps you are not as old as you think!
Ray
Alright, then. It's decided. If I ever completely lose my mind and decide I need to make colloidal silver myself, it will be with a hand cranked centrifuge!
Actually...you know...if I set things up right, when we lose power here in the winter for days at a time, I could still make emulsions. Bunsen burner, hand whisk, gaslight. Just kidding (I think).
Silver concentration may be another thing to consider. E.g. a dry gelatin layer with colloidal silver may appear red, whereas the same layer, wet, may be yellow.
while reading Herschel's hand written notes[...]
I was thinking he had beaten Lippmann by decades... that was untill I said to myself: "NO! No way people could have missed such an important thing!"
Herschel did discover the fixing properties of thiosulfate which went un-noticed for about two decades.
Sir John Herschel was an amazing person. Although that's not too surprising, considering who his father was, Sir William Herschel who discovered the planet Uranus, and his aunt Caroline Herschel, who devoted her life to assisting John's father in his observations, and rightly discovered several comets on her own.
Ray - re google books.
Are you in Japan? What browser are you using?
Your browser issue reminds me of when I was in Mexico a few months ago. Google refused to let me see the regular www.google.com and forced me to www.google.mx.
They have some stuff that have "snippet views" which just annoy me as they obviously have the entire text scanned in but they are trying to avoid copyright infringement by not showing you more than a line or two of the text.
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Yes.
I guess the same thing is happening to me.
It seems the site decides to make you use the local (google?) system...
I can use either google, but the using the link I found only confusing semi related sentences, and honestly, I got so frustrated with- you guessed it those "snippit" strips of torn pages I lost the will to hunt... and have already forgotten what it was exactly.
Perhaps if I look again I will find a way out, but I am not hopeful.
I will try again someday, after I recharge.
Ray
Yeah - google tries not to let you see anything your local government doesn't want you to see. Like you'll never see a photo of the guy standing in front of the tank in Tiennamen (sp?) Square while you are in China through google... I understand why the[y] do it, but it just seems wrong somehow...
Interference colours can be very intense and pure, but they generally only work over a limited range of angles. Exceptions exist which work over wider angles - the canonical example is the pure blue of the Morpho butterfly wing - but as I understand it Lippmann emulsions only display their correct colours when viewed head-on.
Final point: the early colour I was thinking of was bare AgCl on a paper support, as used by spectroscopists to investigate projected solar and other spectra by measuring the pyrolitic or photolitic darkening of the halide when exposed to a spectrum from a prism. Herschel reports on some of these colours in his huge catch-all paper in the Royal Society's Phil. Trans. from 1840 (the same paper where he reports the use of "hyposulphites" as a fixer), but I am sure many other early workers noticed and commented upon them. These are unlikely to be caused by an interference effect, and are most likely plasmonic colours.
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