Hi i know a few people on here have both which do you prefer for everyday use . I already have the F1n is it worth getting the New F1 .From what i have been able to glean from old reviews on the net they are two very different cameras .
Canon f1n vrs Canon New f1
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Of course only you can determine what it is worth to you but having a second body to share the same lenses will offer you flexibility for an outing such as having two different films to work with - different speeds or even types.
They are very different. I own both. This is my take on it:
If you are comforable with partial metering and wish for no other kind of metering,
if you think the response speed of the F1n 's meter is good enough,
if you think the brightness of the F1n finder is good enough*,
If you have no need for knowing the aperture of the lens by looking at the viewfinder,
and you don't need aperture-priority automation,
if you need all speeds working without use of battery,
if you really really need mirror-lock-up,
if you don't wish the camera had better weather sealing,
if you value smooth winding film advance levers,
... Then stay with the F-1n.
Otherwise you'll prefer the Canon New F-1.
Both are great cameras, though. The above poster wrote:
"I'd say in real life usage, they're about equal"
I think that if the light conditions are favorable (that is, during the day) and you have no need of AE, and you like Partial metering, then yes, they are about equal in real life usage.
Internally, they are totally different.
* it can be upgraded by installing a Laser-matte screen.
I have both F1's too, and I agree with Flavio's remarks entirely, what's for sure they are amongst the best and most reliable manual film S.L.R's ever manufactured and we will never see their like again.
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Well i must admit to myself i have fallen in love with the F1n and just wondered if i could just justify to myself getting the New F1 .The only niggle i have is sometimes under certain lighting the meter is difficult to read but i have seen a hot shoe with a tiny built in light that will cure this .Now i will just have to find one .Thanks everyone for the info
The problem is that the meter response is very, very slow in low light. This is a common problem with most CdS meters.
This also makes stop-down metering with FL lenses a bit slow, unless you're out in daylight.
The New F-1 gives instant meter response at all times.
I still think that the Canon F-1 (or F-1n) is one of the best SLR cameras ever, as good as a Nikon F2! (Nikon F2 has a quicker meter and better viewfinder display, but the Canon F-1 is more ergonomic).
Owning all three, the one I use and like the most is an early-production F-1. Just something about the smoothness of the controls that the other two versions seem to be lacking. I use the later “L” screens so the viewfinder image is bright enough for what I use the camera for. I had Ken Oikawa give it a CLA a few years back so it’s in tip-top shape. But choosing among the three is a personal preference, and I know other folks will argue differently. All three are superb cameras.
Jim B.
Jim B.
Wow!
Thanks for this post!
I don't have the F-1n, i have the original F-1, and i always thought that i should replace it with a F-1n.
Now i feel glad i have the original, early 70s one!!
Canon incorporated the metering cel into the body of the F-1 but had an opportunity to upgrade the meter when they released the upgraded F-1N in 1976 and didn't.
The Nikon F2 also had the same slow meter as it used the CDS in it's initial models - F2 Photomic (F2+DP-1) and Photomic S (F2+DP-2). But since Nikon designed the F2 with the metering cel in the viewfinder, they were able to more easily able to upgrade the meter cels when they released newer viewfinders later in it's production cycle - the F2SB (F2+DP3), F2A (F2+DP11) and F2AS (F2+DP12).
According to Canon (http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film95.html) thirteen improvements were made to the original F-1 with the release of the F-1N/F-1 Later model. I guess they weren't the right improvements for you . . .
Les while I am not 100% sure about the metering cell in the F2S but I think it's silicon too. I am sure that the F2A has Cds cell. I decided on the AS back in 77 because of this fact.
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The laser mat screen upgrade is that a Canon fitting or aftermarket
The updated model was the F1n the New F1 was the F1-N.
From Canon itself in order of release:
- F-1 -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film78.html
- F-1N, F-1 (Later Model) -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film95.html
- New F-1 -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film105.html
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Yeah.....and i hate to be the first Idiot to ask, but.......Is the last F1 always shown with the word "New" in front.?From Canon itself in order of release:
We went through this before and likely to go through it many more times in the future. No doubt Canon could have done a better job of naming their models . . .
- F-1 -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film78.html
- F-1N, F-1 (Later Model) -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film95.html
- New F-1 -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film105.html
It is never F-1N or F-1 New.?
Because i also see F-1n or something like that, with a lower case "n".
So yes, i am still confused.
Sorry
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you can say that againFrom Canon itself in order of release:
We went through this before and likely to go through it many more times in the future. No doubt Canon could have done a better job of naming their models . . .
- F-1 -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film78.html
- F-1N, F-1 (Later Model) -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film95.html
- New F-1 -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film105.html
Believe me you are not the first (I lay claim to that!) and I doubt that you will be the last.
I'm pretty sure I've said it a few times. That what's great about this site, we get to relive it over again and again like Ground Hog Day. . .
Yeah.....and i hate to be the first Idiot to ask, but.......Is the last F1 always shown with the word "New" in front.?
It is never F-1N or F-1 New.?
Because i also see F-1n or something like that, with a lower case "n".
So yes, i am still confused.
Sorry
It is confusing.
First generation = F-1
Second generation (actually a tweak) = F-1n (small n)
Third generation (brand new camera) = F-1N (capitol N), or New F-1.
Jim B.
Thank You -
My wife is, presently, writing this info on a note inside all of my T-Shirts...right next to my name tag.
It is confusing because even with the source provided above, people still propagate different information. It must be a local reference sort of like dialects discussed in the "How do you pronounce Nikon" thread. What's in a name anyway . . .
Thank You -
My wife is, presently, writing this info on a note inside all of my T-Shirts...right next to my name tag.
If she's like my wife the next thing will be for her to write "TGIF" on all your shoes. Toes go in first.
From Canon itself in order of release:
We went through this before and likely to go through it many more times in the future. No doubt Canon could have done a better job of naming their models . . .
- F-1 -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film78.html
- F-1N, F-1 (Later Model) -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film95.html
- New F-1 -> http://global.canon/en/c-museum/product/film105.html
The generally accepted designation of the improved version of the original F1 is F1n,(lower case n). and the New F1 F1N (upper case N).
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