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Yea, if I could upload a video of my 50mm 2.5 macro you would laugh, it's so loud, sometimes it freaks models out cause it's like 'weeeerewwwwwerrrrrrrwewrwreweeeeeer' as it's trying to focus... Hah! But the IQ on it is so stellar and the image is so flat... So little distortion it's great, it's one of canon's oldest EF mount lenses... This one I own may be older than me...
 
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The 85L is easily one of the slowest focusing lenses I have ever used. The lens weights a solid kilogram. That is a LOT of glass that needs to move around during focusing. It does NOT move fast at all.


Canon's original intent with the 85mm f1.2L was to make it a manual focus lens, similar to its reasoning for the TS-E PC lenses (although at the time of design these presented their own problems, before Canon came out with another set with AF instead of MF). During its testing phase it was paired with the early EOS 1 and later 1N, and it performed the task well but not quickly. This was never the camera's fault (remembering how fast a 1, 1N or 1V can focus a f2.8 400mm tele...). Like several MF lenses that have a long focus throw, even the most powerful micromotors are not efficient enough, even now, to move such large elements and mechanics with speed and precision. So the final lens was never released as a manual focus but AF with critical design was concentrated on optical performance and this is where the lens excels, and it is also a small price indeed to pay for its notably slower performance.

The 85mm 1.2L was written up in the Canon Lenswork more than a decade ago. I'm wondering if there has been any further incarnations beyond the 1.2L II. I haven't seen any.
 

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Canon's original intent with the 85mm f1.2L was to make it a manual focus lens, similar to its reasoning for the TS-E PC lenses (although at the time of design these presented their own problems, before Canon came out with another set with AF instead of MF). During its testing phase it was paired with the early EOS 1 and later 1N, and it performed the task well but not quickly. This was never the camera's fault (remembering how fast a 1, 1N or 1V can focus a f2.8 400mm tele...). Like several MF lenses that have a long focus throw, even the most powerful micromotors are not efficient enough, even now, to move such large elements and mechanics with speed and precision. So the final lens was never released as a manual focus but AF with critical design was concentrated on optical performance and this is where the lens excels, and it is also a small price indeed to pay for its notably slower performance.

The 85mm 1.2L was written up in the Canon Lenswork more than a decade ago. I'm wondering if there has been any further incarnations beyond the 1.2L II. I haven't seen any.

Well my 50mm 1.4 (I think it's a mark 2?) is super fast it's really a beauty. I always seem to spend half the shoot switching between the 50mm 1.4 and 50mm 2.5 (for close ups and macro body work) but the 85L should have some seriously good glass I would assume to come close to the 1.4? Or am I wrong?

When I was shooting more 35mm and was looking at the 50mm 1.2 L vs 50mm 1.4, I kept coming across reviews saying the 1.4 was actually sharper than the 1.2, but of course the 1.4 wasn't dust or water sealed. So maybe the 85 L glass isn't as sharp? Anyone know more about it with respect to it's sharpness and it's relative CA (or lack)? (Which is what the OP is really asking...).
 

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Yea, if I could upload a video of my 50mm 2.5 macro you would laugh, it's so loud, sometimes it freaks models out cause it's like 'weeeerewwwwwerrrrrrrwewrwreweeeeeer' as it's trying to focus... Hah! But the IQ on it is so stellar and the image is so flat... So little distortion it's great, it's one of canon's oldest EF mount lenses... This one I own may be older than me...

But we are talking speed... If you ever get the chance to try some old AF Nikkors you'll be surprised what loud is, or some 3rd party 90s AF lenses... my Sigma 24mm AF for Nikon was an outdoor lens only :D
 
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Well my 50mm 1.4 (I think it's a mark 2?) is super fast it's really a beauty. I always seem to spend half the shoot switching between the 50mm 1.4 and 50mm 2.5 (for close ups and macro body work) but the 85L should have some seriously good glass I would assume to come close to the 1.4? Or am I wrong?

When I was shooting more 35mm and was looking at the 50mm 1.2 L vs 50mm 1.4, I kept coming across reviews saying the 1.4 was actually sharper than the 1.2, but of course the 1.4 wasn't dust or water sealed. So maybe the 85 L glass isn't as sharp? Anyone know more about it with respect to it's sharpness and it's relative CA (or lack)? (Which is what the OP is really asking...).

I have never heard of the EF 85L describe as anything other than super sharp, starting at wide open. There's a lot of chromatic aberrations when shot wide open digitally, but the sharpness is all there, IF you can hit focus with the thin DOF at f/1.2.
 

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I have never heard of the EF 85L describe as anything other than super sharp, starting at wide open. There's a lot of chromatic aberrations when shot wide open digitally, but the sharpness is all there, IF you can hit focus with the thin DOF at f/1.2.

Good, trade? LOL
 

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It's a great lens on film, better than on digital. None of the purple fringing nonsense on film, for example.

It's not THAT slow to focus. really not bad at all, frankly. Not really an action lens for shooting sports but then again it's plenty fast compared to manual focus, for example. ;-)

For portraits it's more than fast enough as far as AF goes. I use mine on a 1V, generally.

Enjoy it, it's one of the real gems of the Canon lineup and has few if any peers at what it does best.
 
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I have never heard of the EF 85L describe as anything other than super sharp, starting at wide open. There's a lot of chromatic aberrations when shot wide open digitally, but the sharpness is all there, IF you can hit focus with the thin DOF at f/1.2.


If Canon had attempted to create every skerrick of chroma in the 1.2L the lens would truly be a monster in size and weight, with each tiny fault progressively requiring more correction. It practically cannot be totally corrected, but it is exceptionally well corrected and hence the price tag and its unerring optical performance.

That said, I don't think a lens like this (among others) is suitable for digital — it was optimised for film and many people swear this is what it should be used with. Matter of fact, too many people have silly gripes about "ugly faults in lenses" when using Canon's L-series lenses on older digital bodies. The problem is indisputably with the older bodies; indeed, TS-E lenses used on older digital bodies highlight the technical deficiencies of digital where analogue excels.
 

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I owned the 85L when I shot the Canon 5D for a few years in waiting for Nikon to go full frame. I had no regrets switching back to Nikon but did have hesitation in parting with the 85L...I shot entire ad campaigns with that lens, simply unmatched by anyone except for the version-II. Shot at 1.4-1.6 it got rid of the slight color fringing I had to get rid of in post.

You used it with digital gear, you know what it can do so you can pretty much count on that in using it with film. For example, I bought Nikon's new 35mm 1.4G lens for digital use. I just started using it with TMAX 400 in my F100, simply spectacular images.

The 85L is a Ferrari in the optical world...several people own them, but few have the talent to realize the full potential of it.
 

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If Canon had attempted to create every skerrick of chroma in the 1.2L the lens would truly be a monster in size and weight, with each tiny fault progressively requiring more correction. It practically cannot be totally corrected, but it is exceptionally well corrected and hence the price tag and its unerring optical performance.

That said, I don't think a lens like this (among others) is suitable for digital — it was optimised for film and many people swear this is what it should be used with. Matter of fact, too many people have silly gripes about "ugly faults in lenses" when using Canon's L-series lenses on older digital bodies. The problem is indisputably with the older bodies; indeed, TS-E lenses used on older digital bodies highlight the technical deficiencies of digital where analogue excels.

The fact that these older lenses excel on film is because film is thicker, and the culmination of the wavelengths is not as critical. With a digital sensor, the discretization of the "film" plane exaggerates the lens' inability to focus the same wavelengths on the same spot, for the entire image circle. I agree older lenses work better on analog media, but not because the medium is more superior—just more forgiving of slop.
 
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I owned the 85L when I shot the Canon 5D for a few years in waiting for Nikon to go full frame. I had no regrets switching back to Nikon but did have hesitation in parting with the 85L...I shot entire ad campaigns with that lens, simply unmatched by anyone except for the version-II. Shot at 1.4-1.6 it got rid of the slight color fringing I had to get rid of in post.

You used it with digital gear, you know what it can do so you can pretty much count on that in using it with film. For example, I bought Nikon's new 35mm 1.4G lens for digital use. I just started using it with TMAX 400 in my F100, simply spectacular images.

The 85L is a Ferrari in the optical world...several people own them, but few have the talent to realize the full potential of it.

I've always called my 85L the Ferrari of lenses. And yes, I have no where near the talent to justify owning this lens.
 

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I've always called my 85L the Ferrari of lenses. And yes, I have no where near the talent to justify owning this lens.


Honestly, ditch the Nikon gear, get your self a EOS 1V and let er' rip....

If there is one combo that would see me put my 501CM down, it is the 85L and TMY 400. When you are in light that at ISO 400 you are at 1/100th at 1.2 and lower, it tends to come from everywhere and wraps around everything. The way the 85L swallows and serves up this particular type of light is stunning, backgrounds otherworldly....

So I think you could learn a lot about light in shooting it. The 85L is not just the best 85 ever made, it is one of the best lenses made in any focal length in any format....

I'd find some awesome looking Shanghai dance troupe and do striking 1/2 to 3/4 length portraits of them, it's that kind of lens...
 
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Honestly, ditch the Nikon gear, get your self a EOS 1V and let er' rip....

If there is one combo that would see me put my 501CM down, it is the 85L and TMY 400. When you are in light that at ISO 400 you are at 1/100th at 1.2 and lower, it tends to come from everywhere and wraps around everything. The way the 85L swallows and serves up this particular type of light is stunning, backgrounds otherworldly....

So I think you could learn a lot about light in shooting it. The 85L is not just the best 85 ever made, it is one of the best lenses made in any focal length in any format....

I'd find some awesome looking Shanghai dance troupe and do striking 1/2 to 3/4 length portraits of them, it's that kind of lens...

I'm shocked, I thought you were strictly Nikon.... :smile:
 

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I'm shocked, I thought you were strictly Nikon.... :smile:

Nah, I am strictly pictures, no brand loyalty. I gladly went Canon for a few years while I waited for Nikon to come out with a 24x36mm full frame you-know-what, it was a primo move really...

This thread has me jonesing for the 85L and a 1V, man that lens is incredible...
 

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Nah, I am strictly pictures, no brand loyalty. I gladly went Canon for a few years while I waited for Nikon to come out with a 24x36mm full frame you-know-what, it was a primo move really...

This thread has me jonesing for the 85L and a 1V, man that lens is incredible...

I've got the 1V :smile:

PS does that mean you might someday use film other than Kodak?? *gasp*
 

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I've got the 1V :smile:

PS does that mean you might someday use film other than Kodak?? *gasp*

Well sure, I use Ilford, Fuji Acros and my stash of Efke.

I'm still dialing Delta 100 in, it seems a fair bit more sensitive to water hardness than Tmax films, at least in sheet form...
 

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Well sure, I use Ilford, Fuji Acros and my stash of Efke.

I'm still dialing Delta 100 in, it seems a fair bit more sensitive to water hardness than Tmax films, at least in sheet form...

I'm re-dialing everything as I've switched from hand processing to rotary, and still can't get any film/dev combo I'm happy with... Rodinal used to work with 90% of my film, now everything is mucky, I don't like powders so D-76 is out, HC-110(B) is too short time wise for films, DD-X is next, but it's so expensive I love it but don't want to use it for anything but pushing... *sigh*

Anything worth using with hand processing seems useless in rotary...
 
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Honestly, ditch the Nikon gear, get your self a EOS 1V and let er' rip....

If there is one combo that would see me put my 501CM down, it is the 85L and TMY 400. When you are in light that at ISO 400 you are at 1/100th at 1.2 and lower, it tends to come from everywhere and wraps around everything. The way the 85L swallows and serves up this particular type of light is stunning, backgrounds otherworldly....

So I think you could learn a lot about light in shooting it. The 85L is not just the best 85 ever made, it is one of the best lenses made in any focal length in any format....

I'd find some awesome looking Shanghai dance troupe and do striking 1/2 to 3/4 length portraits of them, it's that kind of lens...

Wow....that's quite a testament. I dont know if I can buy a film body for this camera right now (I just bought a new medium format camera and yet another might push the wife too far), but I am not going to sell the 85L as thought I might.
 

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Wow....that's quite a testament. I dont know if I can buy a film body for this camera right now (I just bought a new medium format camera and yet another might push the wife too far), but I am not going to sell the 85L as thought I might.

He said sell the Nikon gear... Heck sell the digital gear, that will afford you a NEW canon 1V (yes canon still has new stock) hah!
 
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Wow....that's quite a testament. I dont know if I can buy a film body for this camera right now (I just bought a new medium format camera and yet another might push the wife too far), but I am not going to sell the 85L as thought I might.


Sell it. For a diminishing format the size of a postage stamp and an expected forward life of 4 to 6 years before 35mm is pulled, I would be getting serious work done on building, shooting and expanding (and learning a swag of new and challenging techniques) your medium format kit, which of course commonly needs none of the apo or CAF2 bells and whistles of the smaller format's lenses to produce the quality that people will stand up and take notice of.
 

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Sell it. For a diminishing format the size of a postage stamp and an expected forward life of 4 to 6 years before 35mm is pulled, I would be getting serious work done on building, shooting and expanding (and learning a swag of new and challenging techniques) your medium format kit, which of course commonly needs none of the apo or CAF2 bells and whistles of the smaller format's lenses to produce the quality that people will stand up and take notice of.

You're dim....

I think 35mm will last longer than 120, and hope that sheet film lasts longest... Hope....
 
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