Can frozen film get freezer burn?

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im sorry but you are wrong! moisture or water vapor even on the molecular level at room temperatur trapped in the film packing materials and the film itself will percipitate out at low temps.

since its all packed in an air tight ziploc bag it cant escape and will form ice resulting in freezer burn. unless youve desicated everything in that bag and vacuum sealed it at sub zero temps of around -50°f, aka freeze dry, you will have a problem in your domestic freezer.

tell me, when you dry mount photos do you first dry the matt n picture in your so cal dry clime? its not all that dry where you live unless you live on the moon?

Ohh :cry: ..now it becomes complicate:whistling:
im sorry but you are wrong! moisture or water vapor even on the molecular level at room temperatur trapped in the film packing materials and the film itself will percipitate out at low temps.

since its all packed in an air tight ziploc bag it cant escape and will form ice resulting in freezer burn. unless youve desicated everything in that bag and vacuum sealed it at sub zero temps of around -50°f, aka freeze dry, you will have a problem in your domestic freezer.

tell me, when you dry mount photos do you first dry the matt n picture in your so cal dry clime? its not all that dry where you live unless you live on the moon?
im sorry but you are wrong! moisture or water vapor even on the molecular level at room temperatur trapped in the film packing materials and the film itself will percipitate out at low temps.

since its all packed in an air tight ziploc bag it cant escape and will form ice resulting in freezer burn. unless youve desicated everything in that bag and vacuum sealed it at sub zero temps of around -50°f, aka freeze dry, you will have a problem in your domestic freezer.

tell me, when you dry mount photos do you first dry the matt n picture in your so cal dry clime? its not all that dry where you live unless you live on the moon?

You are BOTH right ( a little bit ).

First let us forget the term "freezer burn"
it is of an interest to house-wifes and
their deep frozen steaks without special
" freezer plastic backs ".
Grandma hasn't it in use cause she was
able to cook the dinner.:wink:

As I imagine the process of freezing film inside your freezer in regard to dehydration of the emulsion - I WOULD
SAY it comes to an effect of CIRCULATION. YOU should have the original packaging - the 2. best way would be the special freezer plastic backs.
And of cause a litte amound of huminity
inside your original film cans becomes
Ice.
1) out of the air huminity due to duepoint rates.
2) out of the emulsion (in very low quantities.

So it works in the other direction when
you take your films outside your freezer.

Ice crystals circulate first as a liquid then
as a gas back in the closed atmosphere of your film canister.

AND in very poor amounds back in the
emulsion.

So you should beware of indeed to
freeze your films very often and take them more than 15 x outside and inside
your freezer - because that is not good.

Am I right - it am I right ?

with regards
 

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-) Vapour condensating to ice on a product surface will not cause "freezer burn".
-) It is dehydration that will do.
-) Emulsion will not be harmed by dehydration.

Sorry to tipping failure I should ask :

Am I right - or am I right ?

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im sorry but you are wrong! moisture or water vapor even on the molecular level at room temperatur trapped in the film packing materials and the film itself will percipitate out at low temps.

since its all packed in an air tight ziploc bag it cant escape and will form ice resulting in freezer burn. unless youve desicated everything in that bag and vacuum sealed it at sub zero temps of around -50°f, aka freeze dry, you will have a problem in your domestic freezer.

tell me, when you dry mount photos do you first dry the matt n picture in your so cal dry clime? its not all that dry where you live unless you live on the moon?

Roon, I have not doubt that in NYC without air conditioning on that the humidity would be high during the summer. In Southern California the humidity is almost always low and I have never had an icing problem in Zip-Lock and similar bags in over forty years.
 

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well im glad to hear your success. i dont freeze films or steaks.

i only use fresh from the farm.
 

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Roon, I have not doubt that in NYC without air conditioning on that the humidity would be high during the summer. In Southern California the humidity is almost always low and I have never had an icing problem in Zip-Lock and similar bags in over forty years.


And when paul ron don't open the original 120 boxes before freezing he will also have no need to air condition in his Upper East Side apartement.
Because he have air conditioned original humity from the north west out of rochester.:smile::smile:

with compliments
 
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