Can anyone recommend this safelight?

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https://www.freestylephoto.biz/62012-LegacyPro-Safelight-5.5x6.5-Red-w-Dimmer

It's not like there are amazon reviews of these things, and I need a couple of decent safelights for the darkroom I'm currently building. My space is the size of a two car garage....because it is hah. My enlarger is on one side and the sinks are on the other. Before I throw down $100 bucks on two I thought I'd get some reviews.
 

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TBH I’d get a couple of the 12x10 Kodak safelights off ebay. The various types of safelight filters are much more common in that size, and they take regular light bulbs. Just search “kodak utility safelight”, no quotes. You’ll find a handful in fine condition for cheaper.
 
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I concur that two 5x7" safelights will likely be inadequate for such a large space. Thomas Duplex lights are nice IF they are in good working order. I had one the buzzed like crazy and drove me crazy. I ended up paying shipping for someone to take it. One or two with a silent ballasts and good filters would light a space that large well. Keep in mind, however, that the Thomas lights rely on a reflective ceiling to distribute the light. If you have dark rafters, etc., then direct lighting might be a better option.

For this latter, look for good used Kodak D utility safelights (or even an older C in good condition) with 10x12" filters. The safelights themselves can be refurbished easily; they're just a metal housing with a bulb socket and a hinged frame for the filter. A little sandpaper, some spray paint and they're as good as new. Finding the filters you need in good condition is the more important part. Many will come with OC filters, which are fine for most B&W papers. I found that I needed red filters for the Foma Variant and had to search a bit to find a couple 1A filters in good condition. There are a lot of other filters in that size out there, but which were designed for special applications. Make sure to get filters that are designed for your application.

Another good alternative is red LED strip lighting. I have a strip in my darkroom that's covered with red graphic-arts tape (rubylith) that works great. Some red LEDs will fog VC papers because they also emit some green; that's why the rubylith tape.

My current darkroom has Kodak bullet safelights with pull chains over work spaces on the counter. These I can turn off if they're not needed or remove the filter for white light on the counter if needed. General illumination is from larger Kodak D 10x12" safelights pointed up at the white ceiling. And, as mentioned, I've got a 4' strip of red LEDs over the shelf above my darkroom sink that illuminates things on the shelf and gives some general lighting, but is shielded from the sink by the shelf.

Whatever you end up choosing, do do a safelight test as outlined by Kodak here: https://www.kodak.com/uploadedfiles..._motion_products_filter_K4_Safelight_1106.pdf

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Doremus
 

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+1 for the good experience with red LED strip/rope lighting.
And it is the best time of the year to try - you can find what I use in the Christmas Display lighting department right now!
Here is what I have been using since 2017 - it passed the Kodak Safelight test for me, but you should check your sample: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DJD78IM/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
EDIT - almost as much light as a Thomas Duplex, very low electricity use, and you can turn it on and off whenever you want - I have it running through the safelight outlet on my timer.
 

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If it doesn't fit get a bigger hammer. Unless you paint the inside of your garage white you will need a lot of light. The LEDS are a great idea from cost and energy. The Thomas lights are great if you get them for the right price
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I got a string of red LED lights from Ebay for about $5. They work great.
 

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I have a Thomas Duplex for my whole darkroom, and use a generic E26 base (standard screw type), S14 (slightly smaller bulb) safelight bulb in a cheap gooseneck light fixture (from Walmart, sold as a bedroom reading lamp) that attaches with a clamp to spot light anything where I need more light. The bulb is great because it works, it's cheap (I got mine for like $5), and you can install it into most existing light sockets. You'd need a bunch to light a big room, but I use them more for temporarily lighting a dark corner. The Thomas Duplex is hard to beat for large areas because the SOX bulb is so narrow in bandwidth, that you can get a lot more light with a lot less worry of fog.
 

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I used the Legacy unit near my enlarger along with an LED strip light covered with 2 layers of rubylith over the developing area. Although they passed the Kodak safelight test, I became concerned that I was not getting enough contrast with Ilford MGFB because of the Herschel effect. I removed the red filter from the Legacy safelight and taped on a Kodak OC (amber) filter and then put up a rather expensive but very effective Heiland Electric LED safelight. If my space were larger (it's about 1/3 of a single car garage) I'd probably look for a Thomas or a couple of Kodak Model D units (with the OC filter).
 

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Do I count FOUR Thomas Duplex in there? Wow!
Yep, I have them open more than usual for the photo. I have an 8 foot and a 10 foot sink. They all have color print filters in the outer vanes. I still use 1960's Kodak Rapid Color Processors. These safelights provide enough light to handle color paper. The biggest issue with color is you need to give your eyes time to adjust to the low light level, that takes about 5 minutes longer than making a color print. :laugh:. If you look at the spectra of a low pressure sodium vapor lamp these safelights make sense. Black and white paper is very blind to the narrow bandwidth, our eyes aren't. I don't know what the bandwidth is for LEDs. I don't think I have more than 75 bucks each in these. I have aquired these over the last 20 years.
Best Regards Mike
 

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Or just get a gigantic darkroom. Holy crap, how big is that space?
About the size of a small 2 car garage. Keep in mind with the outer vanes closed for color printing I need the coverage. I would look very closely at inexpensive LEDs. I've been accumulating darkroom stuff for 45 years. I have 5 enlargers set up, extreme GAS. It's all a matter of letting the stuff come to you.
 

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https://www.freestylephoto.biz/62012-LegacyPro-Safelight-5.5x6.5-Red-w-Dimmer

It's not like there are amazon reviews of these things, and I need a couple of decent safelights for the darkroom I'm currently building. My space is the size of a two car garage....because it is hah. My enlarger is on one side and the sinks are on the other. Before I throw down $100 bucks on two I thought I'd get some reviews.

I have one. It works, though it’s not particularly bright, even at its brightest setting. I have it sitting right where my trays are. You’ll need more than two to light up a two car garage. The red is also more of a deep orange than deep red. You might be better off with the legacy pro safelights from freestyle. They’re deep red and much brighter. I also two of those. My darkroom is about 200 square feet.
 
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I have one. It works, though it’s not particularly bright, even at its brightest setting. I have it sitting right where my trays are. You’ll need more than two to light up a two car garage. The red is also more of a deep orange than deep red. You might be better off with the legacy pro safelights from freestyle. They’re deep red and much brighter. I also two of those. My darkroom is about 200 square feet.

Sorry, I meant Premier: https://www.freestylephoto.biz/12185-Premier-Safelight-5x7-Red
 

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I've been using one for the last 15 years, works great even with ortho film. Hang it at least four feet from anywhere you will have open ortho film or print work area.

I have two of those plus the one in the original post. The two premieres each sit on top of each of the two enlarger posts and point up at the ceiling, the other one sits over by the trays. That gives a pretty good light distribution and it’s bright enough to see, but otherwise not particularly bright. The ceiling is a standard white office drop ceiling, the floor is grey vinyl flooring, and the walls are black, so with the light pointing at the ceiling right overhead, I can see each work area and the floor (and ceiling), but otherwise the walls suck the rest of the light out, which is good for dealing with what little light makes it in via the cracks and spaces around the doors.
 
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