I guess that I should add that I have loaded Adox CMS 20 into my M6, attached my Zeiss Planar 50 (which I consider an exceptional lens), threaded my viewfinder magnifier into place and shot some very nice photographs off the tripod using a cable release. After developing in the recommended developer I had some excellent negatives with very fine grain. I have enlarged a couple of those negatives to 16x20 and been very impressed with the results.
I have also loaded plain vanilla TMax 100 into my Pentax 645Nii and, using the FA 645 150mm lens, shot some more very nice photographs off of a tripod using a cable release and mirror lockup. After developing in plain old D76 1+1 for 9 1/2 minutes I was very happy with the negatives. I have enlarged them to 16x20 on my poor little Beseler and been blown away by the prints. I have no idea how the acutance of each lens or each film even compares, or how much grain was in each enlargement. What I can tell you from my experience is that the visible sharpness, the depth and the tonality of the medium format TMax negative was miles better than the equivalent image enlarged from the CMS 20 negative. And that really isn't even going big yet. And 6x4.5 really isn't very big on the large format scale either.
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Some people say that 35mm lenses have higher resolution than MF lenses, and that this equalizes the quality of larger formats, but this is a myth.
...Some people say that 35mm lenses have higher resolution than MF lenses...
Yes, and the same is true with MF and LF lenses, to more u go up, the more optical limits apply.
MF lenses are generally falling apart a bit above 100 lp/mm, just as much as generic B&W or color film can hold, currently.
With some RF lenses for 35mm you can easily hit 300lp/mm on film and with good enlarger and skills, you can have it on paper without much loss.
I am talking about pocketable, top-of-the-line 35mm RF camera system like a Leica or Zeiss and lens performance @ ƒ4 to ƒ5,6.
MF and LF are pocketable only if you are an elephant and then cost per shot goes up.
Given the common sizes most MF/LF shooters print, its a zero sum game.
Some MF/LF shooters bash 35mm and Leica, mostly because by default they are lousy printers.
Yes, and the same is true with MF and LF lenses, to more u go up, the more optical limits apply.
MF lenses are generally falling apart a bit above 100 lp/mm, just as much as generic B&W or color film can hold, currently.
With some RF lenses for 35mm you can easily hit 300lp/mm on film and with good enlarger and skills, you can have it on paper without much loss.
MF and LF are pocketable only if you are an elephant and then cost per shot goes up.
(...) Some MF/LF shooters bash 35mm and Leica, mostly because by default they are lousy printers.
Please compare the very best 135 format image you can find printed to 100x150cm, compare it to the very best image from a 6x9cm film negative printed to the same size and report back to this thread.
How can you get 300lp/mm on film, using 100 ISO film?! Even TMX or Neopan Acros...
I've done that long time ago.
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I repeat and (with your example): Compare the very best 135 format Adox CMS 20 image you can find to the very best 6x9cm Adox CMS 20 image you can find. Can you post life-size crops of 40x60 inch prints?
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Even on a 8x10" enlargement, done by a very good printer and, say, FP4 film, the 35mm print will look nice and tack sharp, but a print made from a 6x7 negative will look three-dimensional, lifelike.
A medium format folder camera fits in your pocket. And, if it has been correctly aligned by a technician, it will give results that will beat most 35mm cameras. Been there, done that.
If you think that a Leica camera with a Leitz lens will give you significantly higher quality results than a top-of-the-line Canon or Nikon camera with a top-of-the-line lens of the same focal length, then you are deluding yourself. I wonder if you are aware that Leica SLRs from about 1975 onwards were actually modified Minoltas... Or that some Leitz lenses for the Leica R system were actually made and/or designed by Minolta*
In any case, if you really want to purchase cameras and lenses from the highest quality 35mm manufacturer, it is was not Leitz but Zeiss-Ikon -- the Contarex SLR cameras and their lenses. Erwin Puts, Leica specialist, will agree. Camera technicians that have worked on both systems would agree as well....
I have used Adox CMS 20 II film, and I have seen the resolution tests for that film. At best, under test conditions, it puts 240 lp/mm on film. But that resolution like most document films, was intended for very graphic, high contrast, photography, like black print on white paper. By using the correct developer it is possible to get more photographic results with more pleasing grey tones. But it is far more effective the higher the contrast in the scene...
that's interesting (latent image bleaching I mean). Got any references where I can read up on it?
You can bleach the latent image before dev. That gives you continuous tones that most people wont get on conventional film.
You mean to scan crops of life size print? With what?
Georg has some great shots in the gallery, so he may have a point. Paying $28 for developer enough to develop 6 rolls is going to kill me though.
How can you control that?
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