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O.K., how can you resist a tag line like that?

Here’s the “problem”. I came across an old brassie at Thompson Photo (pic attached), shoved back on the shelf and I can’t seem to find out what it is – no markings of any kind, although it has a focusing rack on the bottom and the pinions and housing are missing. None of the designs in the Vade Mecum or Kingslake seem to fit, although it does seem to be a Petzval design maybe with the glass reversed. Here are the facts ma’am.

Rear cell: about 20” or 20-1/2” focal length, 2/2 constuction, concave side faces AWAY from the aperture. This face may be flat, but appears to me to be concave. This cell illuminates 8x10 although it’s quite diffuse away from the center as expected.

Front Cell: about 9-1/2” focal length, 2/1 construction (2 strong, 1 ghost, some minor edge separation), concave side again faces away from the aperture. This face may be flat, but appears to me to be concave. The cell again illuminates 8x10, again quite diffuse going away from center.

Combined: about 8-1/2”. The combination does not illuminate 8x10 and is even more diffuse away from center than either single cell. I shot the combo using an assumption of f/8 maximum aperture and got a decently exposed neg, so the combo is tentatively f/8 give or take a stop. I figure it covers full plate at best.

The combined lens also gives some really strange triangular artifacting of highlight areas, although neither individual cell exhibits these artifacts.

I know I’m probably not going to come up with a maker or year (and it isn't really important). My guess is a 9" f/5 Gundlach Petzval-design given where I found it. But has anyone seen a similar lens with similar characteristics? Do Petzvals have greatly asymmetrical elements?

Thanks!

Steve
 

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Steve, does it have a slot for waterhouse stops? If not, it's likely a projection lens from some ancient magic lantern. One of my very favorite portrait lenses is a 15" B&L brassie that was just such a beast in a previous life. It's about f6.6 or so. Close to your f8 guess. Also it means little which way the 2 rear glasses are facing etc. Too many have been taken apart for cleaning by well meaning folk (I would never do this :smile: ) and re-assembled ass backwards or worse. JG Motamedi had a couple of useful sketches that he posted once that shows the original Petzval config and the later Dallmeyer "Patent" design. Maybe he'll post those again. I've used them more than once.
 
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Jim,

Yes, it has a slot for waterhouse stops. I had originally thought it a "lantern" lens, but it most likely isn't. I hadn't thought about someone reversing the glass, but that may explain the extremely "degraded" quality/coverage of the combination versus single cells - but it doesn't show signs on inexpert disassembly/assembly.

Anyway, for $30 it's an interesting experiment. I'll have to test the cells singly, but they appear to be unremarkable while the combination has that swirly look of extreme field curvature away from center.

Is it unusual that the combination covers/illuminates several inches less than the single cells?

Thanks!

Steve
 

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Probably not with a Petzval. The cemented doublet is all you could use alone I think. I'd expect one of those to have a LOT of illumination compared to the combo. Petzval's are by nature so long and narrow that mechanically you could only get about 36 degrees. And the corners of even that is degraded.

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Jim,

Is it unusual that the combination covers/illuminates several inches less than the single cells?

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Steve Hamley said:
Here’s the “problem”. I came across an old brassie at Thompson Photo

Steve:

I can't help you with this lens, but I hope you left some of their other old lenses alone! They (Thompson Photo) have a couple of old lenses that I keep meaning to go buy from them!

-Mike
 
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Hey Mike,

Just noticed your location - you're jusy about 45 miles up the road from me.

Most of the old lenses at Thompson's are gone. Brad sold a lot of them on eBay, and many were unremarkable. I've bought a few, probably the best being a Series VII Protar in barrel and Packard with two near mint 13-3/4 cells for $100.

There were a couple of their lenses in Ilex that went a couple of weeks ago that I was planning to buy, was that you? They were a Cooke and a Goerz Celor.

Steve
 

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Steve Hamley said:
There were a couple of their lenses in Ilex that went a couple of weeks ago that I was planning to buy, was that you? They were a Cooke and a Goerz Celor.

Steve

Nope, wasn't me, but I wanted it to be :sad:

-Mike
 
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