Please don't think I was contradicting you. My thoughts are exactly along the same lines. What good is film if you can't get it processed?
I'm not against lab recommendations here in public, I'm just not in favor of discussing scanning here.
The difference is that it's simply not public in the sense that only group members would see it. Those of us who don't care wouldn't see it.
I'm back. To address your three points.
First, look at the title of the thread. I bet a lot of people who may or may not have had something to add about the 'focus of APUG' didn't realize that a big discussion about that topic was occurring in this thread.
Second, I never knew about the group that you mentioned. When I found out about it the other day, I asked to join. I still haven't been approved. So maybe it's not as good of an outlet as people are making it out to be. It certainly isn't very active.
Third, it might be a fine line, but it's still a line. If the mods have to enforce a 'no scanning discussions' rule, they could just as easily enforce a 'no darkroom attacks' rule or a 'no inkjet printing' rule or a 'no monitor calibration rule' or any number of other rules that you wish to set up. I really haven't seen a lot of anti-darkroom comments here on APUG. Clearly if you are making them here, you are trolling and should get the boot.
I have seen plenty of snobbery towards digital though, with comments like "I don't look at photos in the gallery if they aren't scanned from prints. They are unfinished." It's part of the reason why I essentially share no work with the APUG community other than the postcard exchange. I really can't be bothered with that kind of crap.
I just want to remind everyone for the hundredth time that I see this rigidity as hurting APUG and hurting traditional methods in general. Not because I think reading 100 'Which scanner to buy?' threads is fun. You all seem to believe that scanner discussions is the crack in the dam that will unleash full digi-hell upon APUG. I'm viewing it as a concession to get new users to the site and interested in traditional methods, as well as a spring board to talk about some interesting topics related to film technology.
The problem here on APUG is the constant anti film and darkroom attacks from digital users. That spills across to discussion about scanning, and then digital output. It's a fine line.
Ian
I believe those who wish to discuss have been given latitude to discuss 1) hybrid group, 2) soap box, 3) the new thread discussing labs, 4) discussions about scanning in the context of posting to Apug has been permitted. How is the community of Apug hardly embracing labs? I believe the 4 above are much more liberal interpretions of the Terms of Service.
If someone warns a new user that scan talk is generally frowned upon that is being generous because the terms of service made it quite clear. I believe the OP is getting what he wanted in this thread, but this thread blossomed into a discussion about the community as a whole and what the A in Apug means or in some folks opinion should mean. Start a new thread or contact Sean?!
The problem in this thread was quite the opposite. A non-Moderator jumped in and started a hush on scan talk related to lab services and hinting at a Moderator thread shutdown, using the word pollution to describe the scan talk.
This come across as being anti-lab, and then a Mod came in said that lab scan talk would be tolerated.
Hardly embracing of the labs that still probably do far more analog work than all the darkroom hobby guys put together, and hardly a welcome mat to APUG advertisers. Support for film falls far short of unequivocal here despite severe industry distress. Some people are so busy protecting their turf and feel emasculated by digital they cannot see the big picture. Film needs labs and labs scan. Discuss. Get over it.
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