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jd callow · Nov 17, 2007

Dan Fromm said:
I realize that the 612 is wider than the Veriwide 100, but otherwise why not? I also note that with lens it is far out of range for people like me, but then so is a Veriwide in good order.

Have you looked into the ProPaq line of modified Graflex XLs as sold by SKGrimes? Again, not quite Veriwides but in the spirit. I've suggested to Adam that he should be able to beat Alpa handily on price but he hasn't taken the hint.

And, come to think of it, I see that Capaul & Weber are now offering a modified Linhof Super-Rollex back that gives 56 x 84. They want silly money for it, also for the camera bodies that accept it, but an Alpa 12 with slightly long nominal 6x9 back and a short lens is in the spirit too.

About the suggestion above that a Graflex SLR be revived, Ron Wisner tried. IIRC, his well-made wooden box got good reviews but sold very poorly.

A subtext of this thread is that the new alternative to clapped-out old cameras should be relatively inexpensive. But many of the clapped-out cameras nominated for modern replacements were pretty expensive when new.

Cheers,

Dan

When I first looked at the veriwide it was going for 600-800.00 w/ finder on ebay. Then they started to rise and I was informed that the lens wasn't suitable @ f/8 which is where I'd want to use it. I do like the integration of film /w body over the Paq Pro and like the Fotoman, but I feel the veriwide is more ergonomic. One day I'll either get over my desire for a hand holdable sw 6x9 or I'll buy whats available (old fuji RF?). Nice list of cameras though and I wasnt familiar with the paqpro until I read your post.

jd callow · Nov 17, 2007

Bjørn Joachimsen said:
Mamiya 6

with the 43mm or even a 38mm.

Dan Fromm · Nov 17, 2007

3Dfan said:
According to his web page, the first run sold out and more are being produced.
http://www.wisner.com/freedom.htm

Um, check when he last updated his "in stock" page. http://www.wisner.com/stock.htm And the home page says's he's stopped making cameras. I believe that Wisner is effectively out of business, am more than willing to be corrected if I'm mistaken.

Dan Fromm · Nov 17, 2007

jd callow said:
When I first looked at the veriwide it was going for 600-800.00 w/ finder on ebay. Then they started to rise and I was informed that the lens wasn't suitable @ f/8 which is where I'd want to use it. I do like the integration of film /w body over the Paq Pro and like the Fotoman, but I feel the veriwide is more ergonomic. One day I'll either get over my desire for a hand holdable sw 6x9 or I'll buy whats available (old fuji RF?). Nice list of cameras though and I wasnt familiar with the paqpro until I read your post.

In other words, you wants what you wants and thats what you wants, no substitutes accepted.

I'm more willing to compromise with reality than you are. I get by without an Alpa 12, find that a humble and inexpensive Century Graphic with an ex-aerial camera 38/4.5 Biogon remounted by Steve Grimes (much less expensive than the Alpa version) meets my tiny little needs of nothing at all. Roger Hicks has told me that I'm unfair to the Alpa; since he has one I believe him. I have it on good authority that Capaul & Weber think I'm an ignorant barbarian. I'm having fun anyway.

Cheers,

Dan

Dan Fromm · Nov 17, 2007

Allan Swindles said:
Rolleiflex 3.5F Planar, Ensign Selfix w, Ross Express lens (if you,re old enough to remember) and without doubt the finest 35mm SLR system ever produced, the Olympus OM-1/2/3/4 - bet the OM-5 could have accepted digital backs and made toast and coffee!

Allan, I have a Selfix 820 with 105/3.8 Xpres (not Express). If that's your idea of perfection, I fear you've been deprived of the better things ... I thought austerity in the UK ended long ago.

Cheers,

Dan

jd callow · Nov 17, 2007

Dan Fromm said:
In other words, you wants what you wants and thats what you wants, no substitutes accepted.

Cheers,

Dan

No it is all just dreaming at this point. I'll substitute or change my mind when I've the cash in hand.

removed account4 · Nov 17, 2007

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Dan Fromm said:
About the suggestion above that a Graflex SLR be revived, Ron Wisner tried. IIRC, his well-made wooden box got good reviews but sold very poorly.

Cheers,

Dan

while it was sort of like a graflex slr,
it took shuttered lenses / didn't have an internal shutter...
it is the internal shutter and barrel lenses AND the slr that makes
the graflex so very different than what ron wisner made ...

john

Captain_joe6 · Nov 18, 2007

I too would just about kill for a new era of Graflex-type LF SLR's. They would absolutely have to have an in-body shutter and be able to accept barrel lenses. I'd like to see them made now out of something sturdy and able to take a beating, like aluminum. Personally I think the RB Auto Graflex (longer bellows, front rise) crossed with the Super D (flash sync, automatic lens) and updated with some other modern features (front bed drop and front swings, etc) in a body made of aluminum would be a killer product.

I'd also like to see a new version of either the Grafmatic back of the 12-shot cut film magazine (bag mag) made. Come to think of it, with access to a verticle mill, some blackout fabric, and somebody with some know-how, the Bag mag could very well be remade. They're incredibly simple devices.

And finally, I'd like to see Prontor cable-release timers come back on the market. You know, the ones that will hold the cable in the 'pressed' position for up to 32 seconds. I love those.

Ah...I feel a lot of penny-pinching, equipment sales, and a few phone calls to SK Grimes are about to hit us all. Or me at least.

Curt · Nov 18, 2007

Who will decide and how soon will the winner be announced? I want that Rollei 66?

gandolfi · Nov 18, 2007

sun of sand said:
How about a new Diana camera? 35mm model and 120. Panoramic Diana
New Zuiko lenses would be nice but then I couldn't afford them anyway and wouldn't bother buying em if I could

that's a funny statement on several levels.
the Dianas arethe lenses! so changing them doesn't make any sense...

and a "new Diana" is here! Called Diana+ from Lomo...

I bought the Golden one (SO ugly!!) and I am quite dissapointed with it..

I don't know, but it certainly looks like they made another Holga, but disguised it as a Diana... in other words, the lens doesn't have the Diana characteristica!

But is it ok for the Students to try out.

(they added a pinhole feature in it - which is silly -and a screw thingy for tripod - which is nice!)

look here:
http://shop.lomography.com/shop/main.php?cat=&pro=dia

gandolfi · Nov 18, 2007

Curt said:
Who will decide and how soon will the winner be announced? I want that Rollei 66?

..And I have it!

the very best medium camera I have tried!

JBrunner · Nov 18, 2007

Simple, affordable ULF tailboard cameras.

Rob Vinnedge · Nov 18, 2007

A 5X7 Super Technika V without the rangefinder.

Dave Wooten · Nov 18, 2007

JBrunner said:
Simple, affordable ULF tailboard cameras.

Here Here! That is what the initial statement in the post was about...IMNSHO, ULF cameras should not cost a fortune to build. I have picked up a few oldies with the intent, as a hobby project, not business, mind you, of restoring and then making a new "original".

mitica100 · Nov 18, 2007

Just for the heck of it... A Kodak Ektra (35mm) kit with five lenses.

sun of sand · Nov 19, 2007

gandolfi said:
that's a funny statement on several levels.
the Dianas arethe lenses! so changing them doesn't make any sense...

and a "new Diana" is here! Called Diana+ from Lomo...

I bought the Golden one (SO ugly!!) and I am quite dissapointed with it..

I don't know, but it certainly looks like they made another Holga, but disguised it as a Diana... in other words, the lens doesn't have the Diana characteristica!

But is it ok for the Students to try out.

(they added a pinhole feature in it - which is silly -and a screw thingy for tripod - which is nice!)

look here:
http://shop.lomography.com/shop/main.php?cat=&pro=dia

I had no idea. The lens looks more polished than the originals. ?
You can polish the lenses with simichrome, actually ..I use it to polish the body itself.

Does the zone focus actually work well?
Pretty cool, though.

I didn't mean put a Zuiko lens on the Diana. Ha. I just meant a new Diana and some new Zuiko OM's ..for the future ebay when their prices aren't so steep so that I can replace/add to the ones I have now

gandolfi · Nov 19, 2007

sun of sand said:
I didn't mean put a Zuiko lens on the Diana. Ha. I just meant a new Diana and some new Zuiko OM's ..for the future ebay when their prices aren't so steep so that I can replace/add to the ones I have now

what I want to make, is a "Dianablad" - a hasselblad with a Diana lens in front!

now that would look cool!

and be fun to work with...

roteague · Nov 19, 2007

None. I'm very happy with the camera choices we today. I just ordered a new Chamonix 4x5, I bought a new Nikon F6 three months ago, and I am considering buying a Mamiya 7II as well.

mtnbkr · Nov 19, 2007

Lee L said:
CV did make SLR lenses in OM mount, now discontinued and mostly sold out, but no particular emphasis on speed. See http://www.cameraquest.com/Voigt SL.htm
The same facility is now making the Zeiss ZF/ZS SLR lenses.
Lee

I found out about those lenses after they had sold out. Since they proved they could do it once, they should do it again.

Chris

barryjyoung · Dec 10, 2007

f2.0 Ermanox. Oooooh, just typing it sends shivers down my spine.

Dan Fromm · Dec 10, 2007

Barry, save your small monetary units and someday you'll be able to get a 110/2 Planar.

Silverhead · Dec 10, 2007

Freestyle now has the Diana+ in stock. Just in time for use as a stocking stuffer, it seems...

barryjyoung · Dec 10, 2007

Dan Fromm said:
Barry, save your small monetary units and someday you'll be able to get a 110/2 Planar.

That many nickels would weigh a lot.

Dan Fromm · Dec 10, 2007

barryjyoung said:
That many nickels would weigh a lot.

Wot? Don't you have a wheelbarrow?

barryjyoung · Dec 10, 2007

Dan Fromm said:
Wot? Don't you have a wheelbarrow?

No, but the $1500 or so the last few on ebay have brought would require a wheelbarrow.

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