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BIG screw up - HP5+ at 50 - advice needed

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I've been doing self portraits every year on my birthday and yesterday, my birthday was no different.

I grabbed a roll of film. I thought it was Pan F+, so I shot it at 50 with strobes. But I just realized it is HP5+. Sh*t!!!

So, I need advice on how to develope it. I have rodinal, ID-11 and Perceptol here.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks.
 
I would suggest a soft-working, low activity developer. Maybe Perceptol or Microdol?
 
Whatever you do, shoot another roll of HP5 at 50, and test it on that one.

On that note, have you thought of a very dillute developer, on a stand or semi-stand routine?

Maybe Rodinal at 1:333 for half an hour, with 3 inversions at first, and 3 inversions at 15 minutes? Just a wild guess... (I've developed ortho film with Rodinal 1:666 with ok results)

Oh, yeah! Happy birthday, man.
 
I did the opposite once, I was shooting HP5 at 800 and accidentally grabbed a roll of PanF. We should mention to Simon that they ought to consider making the packaging more distinctive between the different types of film. (Either that or you and I could learn to read. :smile:)

I would rather be in your shoes, however. My negs were a complete loss because I only noticed after developing. I bet you could do something pretty effectively with the times in the file that John posted. My concern would be getting sufficient contrast, since doing super dilute or stand development could really kill contrast.
 
Why not shoot another roll today? After all, yesterday you were really only one day older that the day before. And today you are only one day older than yesterday. ;-)

That's easy for me to say, but I might not have that kind of attitude much longer. In Feb I'll turn 50 and I'm sure it'll feel like more than "just one more day".

Good luck with the real roll of film... I hope you get good results!
 
Paul Sorensen said:
My concern would be getting sufficient contrast, since doing super dilute or stand development could really kill contrast.

I agree, but I was thinking along the lines that 3 stops overexposure will jack up contrast a lot. The compensating effect of dilute and/or stand development was what I had in mind. I may be WAY off, though.

At any rate, please let us know how this turns out, David.
 
BrianShaw said:
Why not shoot another roll today? After all, yesterday you were really only one day older that the day before. And today you are only one day older than yesterday. ;-)

That's easy for me to say, but I might not have that kind of attitude much longer. In Feb I'll turn 50 and I'm sure it'll feel like more than "just one more day".

Good luck with the real roll of film... I hope you get good results!

I was going to same thing.... Sometimes an analysis using the "DUH" factor saves a lot of time and heartache....:tongue:
 
david b said:
I've been doing self portraits every year on my birthday and yesterday, my birthday was no different.

I grabbed a roll of film. I thought it was Pan F+, so I shot it at 50 with strobes. But I just realized it is HP5+. Sh*t!!!

So, I need advice on how to develope it. I have rodinal, ID-11 and Perceptol here.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks.
Perceptol stock solution for 9 minutes a 20C/68F. Any less and your negs will be as flat as the proverbial pancake.
 
Ok, I'm going to post something that disagrees with all of you. Note: I have not tested this, but have been told that it works.

A friend recently shot almost 90 rolls of 645 on a paid excursion to Africa - he had a shutter failure, and each roll was grossly over exposed since each image was shot wide open - in some cases, as much as 6 stops overexposed. He tried dilute developers, stand development, as well as a few other things. Nothing worked. He was then told by Bruce Barnbaum to do exactly the opposite of what he was doing: develop with a very strong developer for a very short period of time. In fact, the development process was something like stock Hc110 or XTOL, constant agitation, for about 2.5 minutes.

He was able to save almost all of his negatives; because most of the negatives were portraits, the lack of depth of field was not an issue.

The idea is that using a strong developer will get the shadows up to density quickly. However, increased developer strength will also blow out the hightlights, so you need a very short developer time. The short time therefore neccesitates constant agitation....

As I said above, I've never tried this. However, when two photographers I respect say that this worked for them, I believe them. Why not shoot a roll and try it, see if it works? You've got nothing to lose, except a bit of developer, a roll of film, and some time.

Good luck!
 
HP5 in XTOL makes a long straight line.

Go to the Xtol chart at Kodak, find the time for various EI, and soup it.

You don't really have much of a problem.

.
 
I had a similar problem with a shutter that went wonky and overexposed a bunch of sheets of film. A weaker working developer would have given me flat negative that are useless to me. What I did was to add bromide to the developer to try to lose some of the filmspeed. Too much bromide will give you more base fog but just the right amount will do the trick. I don't remember what the right amount is so you're on your own.
 
I expect what Barnbaum said is correct. I recently shot some TriX at 50. I reduced development by two stops, processed in pyrocat-hd, and they came out fine.

I used the formula to compute reduced development time given in Les McClean's book.

Best,

Will
 
david b said:
I've been doing self portraits every year on my birthday and yesterday, my birthday was no different.

I grabbed a roll of film. I thought it was Pan F+, so I shot it at 50 with strobes. But I just realized it is HP5+. Sh*t!!!

So, I need advice on how to develope it. I have rodinal, ID-11 and Perceptol here.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

Perhaps it's "snip-test" time....
 
david b said:
So, I need advice on how to develope it.
I have rodinal, ID-11 and Perceptol here.

You'd likely do well with normal development which
will maintain good contrast. I think I'd try the finer
grained of the three developers you've on hand.
Give the film more than the usual agitation
and pull process. You'll have that way the
more active developer and a shorter
time in the developer. Dan
 
Well, I just hung the roll and they look damn good.

I developed the roll in perceptol 1+0 for 8 minutes at 68. I have very usable negs.

Thanks for all of the help and advice.
 
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