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The OP's problem was because of a clerk at the store, not Amazon's fault. However I have had more than a few badly packaged items which were packed at an Amazon facility.
"K&M Camera was the seller on Amazon." Therein lies the explanation... it is NOT 'Amazon fault'...it is the retailer's fault, in this case Amazon was not the retailer, it merely provided a sales vehicle for a separately owned business entity!
How did you get burned? The paper inside is in a sealed plastic bag, so even those broken adhesive strips are not going to cause the paper to be exposed. Obviously not optimally packed, but not a disaster.
Not sealed, folded. Back it goes.
"K&M Camera was the seller on Amazon." Therein lies the explanation... it is NOT 'Amazon fault'...it is the retailer's fault, in this case Amazon was not the retailer, it merely provided a sales vehicle for a separately owned business entity!
Was it delivered by an Amazon truck or by a carrier?
I won't use Amazon on principle, they are are a main factor in the demise of brick-and-mortar shops. And when I do mail order (as there are now many things impossible to buy any other way) I make sure it is what I want before I order it.
Unsure. Found it on my doorstep. Could have been either...
Then they would cease to be brick and mortar stores. Why would they continue renting a high street shop if most or all of their sales are on-line?They're only the demise of brick and mortar stores because brick and mortar stores are being dumb and not selling on Amazon. There is nothing stopping every mom and pop shop from signing up to sell on Amazon and automatically getting *all* the sales for all the items they carry for everybody buying those items in their local region.
Then they would cease to be brick and mortar stores. Why would they continue renting a high street shop if most or all of their sales are on-line?
You misunderstood me. I am not mainly concerned about Mom and Pop making a living (which seems to be where you are coming from - a business seller yourself?), I am mainly concerned about my ability to see and try stuff before I buy it. Bought some boots on-line last month and they don't fit, but I now have to go a long way to find a brick and mortar shoe shop because all the nearer ones have closed.
I'm also concerned about stuff getting lost or damaged in delivery - where I live the independent couriers* are a nightmare, half of them can't find me and I have to spend ages on the phone** or composing and exchanging e-mails - and still might never get the item. I would not dare to mail-order a camera worth £1000s for example. And most business sellers are not co-operative about tracing lost stuff or my sending damaged or wrong stuff back - as far as they are concerned once they put it in the hands of the courier it's job done.
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* Independent couriers as opposed to the UK Royal Mail. The latter are no problem - regular postman and they actually use my mailbox. The independent courier drivers are never the same guy twice and half of them can't find me (I am rural) and when/if they do they leave stuff on the gatepost in the rain; but a few pence cheaper for the sender I'm told and they will end up putting Royal Mail out of business, at least in areas like mine.
** If I can even get through on the phone - Amazon, Ebay etc put every possible obstacle in your way, their main response is a robot telling you to sod off and look at their website.
If your friend is in the US, their camera store doesn't receive anything from Harman/Ilford, they receive it from the US distributor, the distribution arm of Roberts Camera.
Of course Roberts receives it - via boat - from Harman in the UK.
Yes, I understood (and mentioned) that the supplies come from the distributor but not directly from Ilford. And, yes, the distributor get them from Ilford. There may be many, many "hands" involved in between, and those tapes could have got undone or broken anywhere along that supply chain, but ultimately, Ilford is responsible for making sure that their packaging would withstand the vigor of shipping and handling through the journey along the supply chain. Right?
I have to disagree. Going by you rationale, you could also argue that the responsibility lies with individual stores as they should (to use your argument) "make sure that the product they get from their supplier — [the distributor], who they buy from — is in good shape." It's just passing the buck, IMO.I think the responsibility lies with the distributor - that is who your friend buys it from. And it's up to the distributor to make sure that the product they get from their supplier - Harman, who they buy from - is in good shape.
Ilford may be the real culprit
Yes, I agree, but I did say in my post:Ilford didn't stick a mailing label on an unprotected paper box and toss it in the mail.
Having said the above, the shipper (whoever that is) should bear some responsibility. They should have at least put the merchandise in a box instead of just slapping a shipping label of the merchandise itself to ship it unprotected.
Yes, I agree, but I did say in my post: the shipper (whoever that is) should bear some responsibility
It seems that definitions might be in order since some of the recent discussion may be a bit confusing because of using words diferently. Pronouns, such as "they", don't help either.they should bear all responsibility
Pronouns, such as "they", don't help either.
Oh, I agree. Not arguing about that. But I do think that Ilford's packaging is less than solid.But, in terms of reality, they should bear all responsibility. Many fragile things are manufactures that require careful handling in spite of the practical protections offered by original packaging. A carton of eggs, for instance, is made to keep the eggs safe within reason during transport and sale - but no one would put a stamp on that and put it in the mail.
It's common to use "they" to refer to a business entity. E.g., "I hate Walmart. They are evil." Or "I like Ilford. They make great products."It seems that definitions might be in order since some of the recent discussion may be a bit confusing because of using words diferently. Pronouns, such as "they", don't help either.
It's common to use "they" to refer to a business entity. E.g., "I hate Walmart. They are evil." Or "I like Ilford. They make great products."
It's also common to use "they" to refer to unidentified or uncertain individuals. E.g., "They stole my car." Even though I have no idea whether there was just 1 thief or there were many thieves involved.
Just an aside: Isn’t it or was it standard practice to use the singular for an entity? Such as, “I hate Walmart. It’s evil.”
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