Bergger Unveils Pancro400

[farmersteve]

First new Black and White film released in 15 years...

Bergger Unveils Pancro400, A New ISO 400 Black-and-White Film

https://petapixel.com/2017/02/04/bergger-unveils-new-pancro400-film/

 

[macfred]

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

It's already available in 4x5 - I'm still waiting for 120 and 35mm.

 

[rmann]

I have used the 4x5 - nice film, for me it is very similar to HP5 or TriX

 

[Peter Schrager]

I have used the 4x5 - nice film, for me it is very similar to HP5 or TriX

Trix and hp5 are not similar.. explain please
Thanks Peter

 

[Mick Fagan]

Hmm, it is available in 135 format at 6.46 Euro, which equates to AUD$9.07, which is quite cheap compared to normal film prices in Australia.

I'll be in Europe in a few months, I may try and pick some up to bring home.

If they ever release this film in 135 bulk loading, say 30m rolls, I would be onto this like a rat up a drainpipe.

It is simply wonderful in 4x5".

Mick.

 

[TheFlyingCamera]

Trix and hp5 are not similar.. explain please
Thanks Peter

Tri-X and HP5 are both 400 speed, traditional (not t-grain or tabular grain) films. They produce not dissimilar results although I do like the look and overall contrast of Tri-X better. I've shot the Bergger Pancro 400 in 5x7. It was nice overall but I got frilling when I developed it in Pyrocat HD. If the problem exists in 120 as well, that would completely rule it out for me.

 

[Peter Schrager]

Tri-X and HP5 are both 400 speed, traditional (not t-grain or tabular grain) films. They produce not dissimilar results although I do like the look and overall contrast of Tri-X better. I've shot the Bergger Pancro 400 in 5x7. It was nice overall but I got frilling when I developed it in Pyrocat HD. If the problem exists in 120 as well, that would completely rule it out for me.

I have yet to try it but will at some point...supporting kodak and ilford right now
I've used trix and hp5 but find them more dis similar than alike..if kodak ever stops making trix we're in trouble!!

 

[ChuckP]

Don't forget that Tri-X sheet film is different from roll film. 320 speed and a different curve. I find in sheet film HP5 and Tri-X are very different.

 

[Peter Schrager]

Not a clone. .probably made by ilford under contract with the Bergger formula
Regardless hood to have cjoices

 

[Peter Schrager]

Remember Bergger never made anything
they still don't but it's nice to have choices
I've only heard nice things about tge film

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Anybody know/have the spectral sensitivity data?

 

[flavio81]

So they have unveiled a film? An amazing feat!! Previously, what i understood is that once you veil (fog) a film, it could not be unveiled...

 

[Rudeofus]

Anybody know/have the spectral sensitivity data?

There is a link to an English language PDF data sheet on Bergger's product page.

 

[Rudeofus]

Trix and hp5 are not similar.. explain please

They may not be exactly the same, but they occupy the same (quite crowded) product space of traditional grain ISO 400 black&white emulsions. Is it really so difficult to create a product which brings something new to the table, like a true ISO 1600 emulsion? Or is the ISO 400 market so much bigger than anything else, that there is enough room for such a multitude of products?

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

There is a link to an English language PDF data sheet on Bergger's product page.

Thank you! According to their data, it appears to have slightly more red sensitivity than the average B/W film.

 

[Rudeofus]

Thank you! According to their data, it appears to have slightly more red sensitivity than the average B/W film.

Now that you mention it, while Tri-X and HP5+ stop at 650nm, Pancro's red sensitivity goes till 680nm. This is still not as far up in wavelength as typical bayer sensor filters, on the other side, the human eye appears to cut off at 650nm. Since Chlorophyl has a Dead Link Removed, I wonder whether this seemingly slight difference in cutoff wavelength is a lot more visible than one might think.

 

[NJH]

Delta 400 also has a similar drop off up around 660 to 680.

 

[sportster44]

Any idea on availability? Showing as backordered when I put in my country (Canada).

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I asked Beau Photo in Vancouver if they would carry this film when it was first released, and they said no, due to weak Canadian dollar. But that's okay. I can order it from the US.

 

[flavio81]

Not a clone. .probably made by ilford under contract with the Bergger formula
Regardless hood to have cjoices

Probably the formula itself was done at Ilford laboratories by Ilford engineers; most likely Berger direct them on what result they wanted.

Still, I welcome new films.

Thank you! According to their data, it appears to have slightly more red sensitivity than the average B/W film.

What about Fomapan 400? it goes almost to 690nm according to their datasheet.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

For me, anything that is at or close to 700nm is extended red.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Not a clone. .probably made by ilford under contract with the Bergger formula
Regardless hood to have cjoices

Probably the formula itself was done at Ilford laboratories by Ilford engineers; most likely Berger direct them on what result they wanted.

Still, I welcome new films.



What about Fomapan 400? it goes almost to 690nm according to their datasheet.

Nope. If I'm not mistaken when Panchro 400 was first unveiled in large format it was said to be a collaboration between Filmotec, Bergger and Innoviscoat.

Funny that the datasheet recommends pre-soaking, something that no Ilford or Kentmere film needs or even recommended.

 

[flavio81]

Nope. If I'm not mistaken when Panchro 400 was first unveiled in large format it was said to be a collaboration between Filmotec, Bergger and Innoviscoat.

Amazing that the #2 fast food company (behind McDonalds) would get involved with Filmotec and Inoviscoat!

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Amazing that the #2 fast food company (behind McDonalds) would get involved with Filmotec and Inoviscoat!

???
What fast food company?
You must be needing reading glasses.
Bergger has 2x "g". And it isn't "Burger King".
I made a mistake with Inoviscoat as it hasn't a double "n".

http://bergger.com/

 

[Mick Fagan]

I have almost finished my 50 sheet 4x5" box or Bergger Panchro film, I have 6 sheets left. As I never process more than 4 sheets at a time, often it is 2 sheets. I have processed probably around 15-18 lots of this film. Not once have I pre-soaked, nor am I ever likely to do this. Regardless of the reason for pre-soaking, as suggested by the data sheet, I think this is a really wonderful film.

I do wonder why when using Bergger PMK, one has to pre-soak for 5 minutes with the pre-soak 1ºC warmer than the incoming developer solution. This is a mystery to myself.

Mick.