Bergger Pancro 400, anyone?

[KitosLAB]

An interesting film with good elaboration in highlights and shadows. Great for "boring" gray lighting, with harsh aggressive lighting gives excessive contrast. These are superficial conclusions because I shot it only once

 

[fs999]

We should finally agree on that:
In the metric system, all measures are in lowercase (= minuscule) letter case and NOT followed by a point.
grams -> g
kilogram -> kg
liter -> l
millilitre -> ml (it used to be cc)
millimeter -> mm
centimeter -> cm
meter -> m
kilometer -> km

Everybody knows it is grams, just not you...

 

[mtnbkr]

I tend to meter at 320, am mindful of shadows, and develop for 400.

Thanks. I'm still waiting for my first two rolls, exposed/developed at 400, to come back from The Darkroom. I was thinking about trying a different exposure next.

Chris

 

[retina_restoration]

For you guys exposing it at something other than 400, are you still processing as 400 or pulling it to match the exposure?

Chris

It only achieves a 400 speed rating if developed beyond “optimal”, so for a richly detailed tonal scale that contains sufficient shadow AND highlight detail, expose at 200 (or less) and reduce development time by 15-20%

 

[eli griggs]

It only achieves a 400 speed rating if developed beyond “optimal”, so for a richly detailed tonal scale that contains sufficient shadow AND highlight detail, expose at 200 (or less) and reduce development time by 15-20%

This sounds ideal for PKM Plus, with a bit of Amidol (5g) as a bost, given 1/3 - 1/2 stop in speed without increasing development time.

I had mentioned this earlier as a choice I've made for my first developed roll of this film, but, if anyone here tries it, please post your impressions and results.

I am unsure if more Amadol is needed per addition (over one) rolls in a tank.

Cheers.

 

[eli griggs]

Everybody knows it is grams, just not you...

Gr or gr stands for grains, which is used by many photographers in the dark room.

There are seven thousand (7,000) grains per pound, so, grains is no part of the Metric System.

The grains refer to the average plump wheat grains, by the way.

No to criticize, but, no one can reasonably expect anyone to know all aspects of a measure, there are so many out there, however if you do no know for sure what the abbreviation stands for, do take a couple of seconds to search out that info, so we are all on the same page.

Godspeed to all. My

 

[relistan]

Not a fan of this film in 35mm. But the tonality is nice and looks good in 120. This is my Pentax 6x7 with 4.5/75mm.

 

[retina_restoration]

FYI, Bergger Pancro 400 has restocked at Blue Moon Camera for the first time in nearly 2 years. Get it while you can. Its still under $7 per 120 roll.

 

[aparat]

FYI, Bergger Pancro 400 has restocked at Blue Moon Camera for the first time in nearly 2 years. Get it while you can. Its still under $7 per 120 roll.

Thanks! I took some of my favorite portraits on this film. The price is pretty good, too.

 

[abruzzi]

15 rolls on their way. They have over 200 rolls of 120, and the price is lower than anything except Foma/arista and Kentmere (well, 120 is.). I’d love to get a box of 8x10 if they start remaking the sheet sizes.

 

[abruzzi]

another small detail--Freestyle now lists 5x7 sheet film in stock--$77 for 25 sheets, so basically $3 per sheet. So if thats for real, they are producing sheet film again. 8x10 and 4x5 are listed out of stock.

 

[mtnbkr]

Got my two rolls back. I think it came out fine exposed at 400 for the most part. I shot one roll in my Canon VT with a Voigtlander 35/2.5 lens and one roll in my Canon New F-1 with an FD 50/1.8 and FL 28/3.5.

Campfire (Canon VT):

Mountain Cabin (Canon VT):

Trail Bridge (Canon F1 & 50/1.8):

Chris

 

[abruzzi]

Pancro 400 in 120 from Blue Moon just arrived. Expiration of 6/2024:

 

[aparat]

Pancro 400 in 120 from Blue Moon just arrived. Expiration of 6/2024:

Same here. Shipping was super fast. I will be ordering all my film and paper from them from now on.

I will run a five-curve test of this film, processed, most likely in D-76. I will post my results as soon as I have them. I'm looking forward to working with this film.

 

[removedacct3]

... I will post my results as soon as I have them ...

Something to look forward to. Curious to know its real speed and its pushability

 

[eli griggs]

Same here. Shipping was super fast. I will be ordering all my film and paper from them from now on.

I will run a five-curve test of this film, processed, most likely in D-76. I will post my results as soon as I have them. I'm looking forward to working with this film.

Is that going to be D-76 1:1, I hope, I hope!

 

[retina_restoration]

Something to look forward to. Curious to know its real speed and its pushability

Several people have performed tests on Pancro 400 over the years and found its true speed to be between 160 ASA and 200 ASA, depending on the choice of developer.

 

[aparat]

Is that going to be D-76 1:1, I hope, I hope!

I will probably start with stock D-76. From what I've seen, this film builds up contrast slowly, so 1+1 might need long development times for a curve family. It might be great for "normal" development, but I want to have a broad range of contrast, CI of about 0.4 - 0.9, or so. We'll see how it goes.

 

[eli griggs]

Che

I will probably start with stock D-76. From what I've seen, this film builds up contrast slowly, so 1+1 might need long development times for a curve family. It might be great for "normal" development, but I want to have a broad range of contrast, CI of about 0.4 - 0.9, or so. We'll see how it goes.

Cheers, I look forward for your report.

 

[retina_restoration]

I will probably start with stock D-76. From what I've seen, this film builds up contrast slowly, so 1+1 might need long development times for a curve family. It might be great for "normal" development, but I want to have a broad range of contrast, CI of about 0.4 - 0.9, or so. We'll see how it goes.

Expect your findings to suggest ideal exposure at 160-200 ASA and 17 minutes development time in D-76 1:1, or thereabouts.

 

[Disconnekt]

Got two rolls in 35mm & a roll in 120, got a roll of Ferrania P30 while I was at it.

 

[MsLing]

I will probably start with stock D-76. From what I've seen, this film builds up contrast slowly, so 1+1 might need long development times for a curve family. It might be great for "normal" development, but I want to have a broad range of contrast, CI of about 0.4 - 0.9, or so. We'll see how it goes.

What a nice job!Looking forward to your good news.I can find a long toe but no shoulder from the characteristic curve in Bergger's datasheet.It makes me curious that if it could have a wider dynamic range or not.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Old thread but has there been any word on the return of sheet film sizes?

 

[retina_restoration]

Old thread but has there been any word on the return of sheet film sizes?

I have emailed Bergger several times in the past 18 months and received no response. I'm filing this under "Don't Hold Your Breath".

 

[abruzzi]

Since Blue Moon is the only place in the US that seems to get any of their film, I posted a question on their Discord server. Their response:

In theory CatLABS is their North American representative but Omer there is generally not terribly helpful in letting us know when the film will be available. So we started reaching out directly to Bergger in France. They can be pretty spotty in terms of answering e-mails, sometimes taking several follow up messages to get a response, but our last couple orders have come directly from them. We have asked before if the sheet film is available but have never gotten much a definitive answer. We will be looking at doing another order in a few weeks as our stock of 35mm and 120 dwindle down so when we place that order I will be sure to raise the issue with them again and see if they can tell us if these formats will ever be produced or not and give us more info.

I haven't heard anything more but it was only a few weeks ago.