Bellows like PB-4 (magnificent) work best with a bellows lens or an enlarger lens. With a macro lens (one designed for use without bellows) you're going to get extreme magnification and little working distance.
If you're going old school Nikon PB-4 bellows and a 105mm (or 135mm) bellows Nikkor, probably would want a ring flash too.
It's not worth the trouble MHOFWIW,
Nikon F3 DW-3 MD-4 PB-4 AS-17 AS-14 SB-21 AR-7
The rail movements are very smooth. The PB-4 even has a little tilt and shift. For straightforward simple magnification, any bellows in good shape should be fine.
F3 DW-3 MD-4 PB-4 AS-17 AS-14 SB-21 AR-7 by Les DMess, on Flickr
You can even reverse mount the lens for greater magnification
Macro Lens + Autobellows by Les DMess, on Flickr
How much magnification and how much distance are you working with?
Hello,
I am wanting to get a bellows for my nikon f mount (film and digital) to use with my macro lens. I hope to get better focused images. (I am getting a rail system too. )
My question is which bellows should I get? Are they the same? I see about 3 different ones at KEH and range from $30-$200. what would be the best option for casual macro shooting of Lichen and mushrooms and maybe fruit stilllifes.
Thank you.
Follow up to post #8
When closed, the distance from the lens-mount flange of the camera body to that of the front of the Nikon PB4 bellows is about 43 mm. That gives the following minimum magnification with Nikon F-mount lenses (lens set to infinity):
50 mm, 0.86X
85 mm, 0.51X
105 mm, 0.41X
135 mm, 0.32X
If you used the FotodioX adapter (its flange is about 2 mm thick), you’d get the following minimum magnifications with the following specified EL Nikkors:
50 mm f/2.8N, 0.87X (focal length is 52 mm per Nikon data)
80 mm f/5.6N, 0.56X
105 mm f/5.6N, 0.43X
135 mm f/5.6A, 0.33X
With any lens, the magnification at infinity is zero.
Magnification = i/f – 1, where i is the image distance
At infinity i = f, so,
magnification = f/f - 1 = 0
Focusing at infinity positions the second nodal point of the lens at distance f from the image plane.
With any lens, the magnification at infinity is zero.
Magnification = i/f – 1, where i is the image distance
At infinity i = f, so,
magnification = f/f - 1 = 0
Focusing at infinity positions the second nodal point of the lens at distance f from the image plane.
Hello,
I am wanting to get a bellows for my nikon f mount (film and digital) to use with my macro lens. I hope to get better focused images. (I am getting a rail system too. )
My question is which bellows should I get? Are they the same? I see about 3 different ones at KEH and range from $30-$200. what would be the best option for casual macro shooting of Lichen and mushrooms and maybe fruit stilllifes.
Thank you.
You need to be aware of the minimum distance from the flange surface of the lens to that of the camera when the bellows unit is mounted between the lens and the body. That imposes limits on what you can do. It’s especially limiting with a relatively short focal length lens. If you can tell me the lens you intend to use, I can measure mine and give you some practical information that will help you decide how to proceed.
I’m not home now. But when I am, I will measure the minimum distance when the bellows are fully collapsed. I have the Nikon PB4 and PB6 units, as well as a cheap unit by Soligor or Star-D (I’ll have to check the brand).
I recently wanted to photograph some small prints of 34.5 mm x 27 mm headshots in my Jr. high school yearbook with a 35 mm. I first tried a 50 mm EL Nikkor enlarging lens. But with the bellows fully collapsed, the lens was too far from the camera. The magnification was too great. Only the central part of the subject (about 65% of the yearbook photo) was seen in the finder. I found that using a 4/80 Rodagon was about right. A 90 mm - 105 mm enlarging lens would work too. The lens choice depends on the required magnification and the subject-to-lens distance needed.
If you use a Nikon bellows and want to mount a 39mm Leica-thread enlarging lens to the front of the bellows, you should buy the following adapter. It’s what I use.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1413323-REG/fotodiox_m39_nikf_lens_mount_adapter_for.html
Enlarging lenses are excellent macro lenses. You can buy a good 6-element 4-group enlarging lens via eBay or Photrio ad relatively cheaply. They’re much cheaper than buying a high-grade macro lens. The results are identical in my experience.
I’ll try to send the minimum flange-to-flange distance with my Nikon bellows units later this afternoon or Wednesday morning. Once that dimension is known, you can determine the minimum magnification with the bellows collapsed. You can also determine the maximum magnification possible.
The setup shown in post #8 is quite expensive and overkill in terms of practical results for only occasional use. The image quality from this would be the same as with a cheap bellows unit and a good 6-element 4-group enlarger lens. I have both, so I’d done the comparison.
I assume that for macro work the camera is on a tripod. You don’t need an expensive double cable release. If you use an enlarger lens, only the release to the camera is used, or you can use the self-timer.
If you use an auto-diaphragm lens, you can use:
1. Two standard release cables.
2. Cable on the front of the bellows unit only (to stop down the aperture) and self-timer on the camera.
Attached are front and obverse scans of 8" x 10" prints of a copper coin about the size of an old U.S, silver dollar. These were photographed on a Nikon bellows unit with a forward-facing 4/80 Rodagon enlarging lens on Kodak T-Max 100.
The scans were made on a Ricoh MP C2503 copier/scanner at my public library—not on a dedicated photo scanner.
One of my BPM bellows came with a set of Nikon F mounts. Unlike many other types the lens & camera mounts on BPM bellows are easily interchangeable, so it's easy to use alternate lenses when you want more working distance - working distance is usually greater with longer focal lengths, but the magnification achieved with a given extension is less.
They don't have fancy tilt / shift movements, but they are often only 10% the price of bellows that do!
If you're only after a small range in extension a helicoid (variable length extension tube) might be a more robust way to go, but it's hard to source these with Nikon mounts.
I agree with Ralph. You already have a 100mm macro lens and that might be all you need. The question becomes what magnification does your macro lens reach? 2:1 or 1:1? If it only reaches to 2:1, and you want to get closer, just get an extension tube designed for your lens.
Lots of people love to live vicariously by spending your money -- on a bellows that you might not need.
You did not specify exactly what lens you have, and if you are having trouble focusing, all you might need is a viewfinder magnifier. These are very inexpensive. I use one all the time for my macro work. Buying a bellows will not make focusing any easier. That would be like buying a magnifying glass when you really need eye glasses.
I use a Nikon PB-6 and I use mostly enlarging lenses on it. I use a 39mm to 42mm adapter and a M42 to Nikon F adapter. I think I will get a M39 to Nikon F mount. I found the enlarging lenses work out very well. I have lenses from 40mm to 135mm but my favorite is the EL Nikkor 80mm f/5.6. With the EL Nikkor 135mm f/5.6 I can focus to infinity. With the EL Nikkor 50mm f/2.8 which is very good but the working distance is too close so I don't use it much.
Thank you. I will look into the PB-6 . Right now, I only have the 100mm f2.8 2:1 Laowa lens.
It is gray and rainy here, and here I am to rain on your fantasy. Why do you need a bellows when you're going to be working at magnifications < 1:1? A macro lens that will go to 1:1 on its own mount or to 1:2 on its own mount and 1:1 on an extension tube will do what you say you want to accomplish and will be easier to use than a bellows rig.
I've had a PB-4 since 1970. For most of my close-up work a plain ordinary MicroNikkor (55/2.8, 105/2.8 or 200/4, all AIS, and a 105/2.8 AF for my D810) are much easier to use.
Focusing? With manual focus lenses, I dial in the magnification I want and focus by teetering back and forth. With AF, I let the camera/lens take over and teeter in and out to get the magnification I want.
From what I read, the lens is very impressive and all you need.
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