Bellini E6 Kit

miha said:

How could this be accommodated by automated labs developing Fuji and Kodak films in the same runs?

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By DX code. When the lab receives Velvia, it would mean "push +1/2 stops." It is exactly one minute extra time in FD. In my opinion, there is no need for extended FD time for Provia.

MattKing said:

With respect to this, is there a possibility that this is a translation issue?
I ask because, in English for some people, "not recommended" means not necessary, while for other people, "not recommended" means "do not do it".

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No. The verb in Italian is evitare, which means to avoid. It doesn´t have the meaning of something not being necessary.
The issue of presoaking or not gets quite heated at times in the black & white forums. What I mean is that Bellini instructions clearly suggest not doing that, but I have tried doing both ways, and haven´t noticed any difference in my results.

Samu said:

By DX code. When the lab receives Velvia, it would mean "push +1/2 stops." It is exactly one minute extra time in FD. In my opinion, there is no need for extended FD time for Provia.

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Highly unlikely, and certainly not in the same run.

miha said:

Highly unlikely, and certainly not in the same run.

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It depends of course on the setting. In Jobo or in big labs, who splice film in big rolls to be developed, you can't do different films, or push/pill in the same batch. But in minilab type systems, only a film or two is developed at each time, and it is easy to make such adjustments.

Samu said:

But in minilab type systems, only a film or two is developed at each time, and it is easy to make such adjustments.

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E6 in a minilab...?

koraks said:

E6 in a minilab...?

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In the past, there were many labs processing E6 in minilab type equipment. Nowadays, the small demand for the process makes maintaining a replenished process hard, and many of the labs still offering E6 have opted for running a batch in their Jobo every two weeks or so.

Samu said:

In the past, there were many labs processing E6 in minilab type equipment.

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Oh. Back in the 1990s, the heyday of color film, I remember around here the department stores with 1 hour photo service that would process piles of CN negativea and prints would send out their E6 to centralized labs.

The lab I used a decent bit in Kentucky between 2015 and 2020 had a minilab-type machine for E6. In fact it didn't look all that different from the C41 Frontier sitting next to it other than being older and somewhat larger/longer.

The last E6 I sent them they ended up returning undeveloped as their machine was down. The last I spoke to them, they still expected to have it back online but it had been a drawn-out process. This lab apparently has/had mail order contracts with several camera stores and smaller labs in a several state radius, and that kept enough volume flowing in to run it a few times a week. I was one of the few people walking in the door with E6 at the time.

The pro lab I mentioned using(that closed in 2007) did use a huge spliced-roll continuous processor for E6. They did C41 on D&D.

MattKing said:

With respect to this, is there a possibility that this is a translation issue?
I ask because, in English for some people, "not recommended" means not necessary, while for other people, "not recommended" means "do not do it".

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I wrote to Bellini, and they confirmed that the pre-heat should definitely be dry, not wet.