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The allure for me ( I use home roasted sumatran beans for caffenol, and I add in a small amount of dektol or ansco 130 ) was my gallon + 1/2 ( or whatever my giant Tupperware ware container holds ) lasts for hundreds of roll and sheets of film, and hundreds of sheets of paper without replenishment. I develop everything in the same developer, even cross processing c41 and e6 to develop it as plain old b/w film. It would give me a density and stain on my film that I could contact print it on anything from silver to cyanotype, and it was the perfect developer for paper negatives seeing paper is sometimes contrasty in certain situations. eventually I turned left and split processed all my film 1/2 the time in dektol or ansco130 and 1/2 the time in the caffenol mixed the same way and processed everything for the same time and temperature no matter the exposure, or iso of my film, like a universal developer. it worked for well for me for about 15 years. I don't process enough film these days to have a giant vat of coffee and washing soda on my darkroom sink so I just use sprint film developer now, its easy and locally made.
 

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Are there any image quality benefits to developing black and white film in coffee or beer? If not, what is the allure?

"Image quality" never struck me as a high priority around here - what with Holgas and negative scans made with cell-phones.

In any case, it is something to amuse oneself with while waiting to die. Like listening to music, going to the movies, going to a family reunion, catching Covid...
 

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The allure for me ( I use home roasted sumatran beans for caffenol, and I add in a small amount of dektol or ansco 130 ) was my gallon + 1/2 ( or whatever my giant Tupperware ware container holds ) lasts for hundreds of roll and sheets of film, and hundreds of sheets of paper without replenishment. I develop everything in the same developer, even cross processing c41 and e6 to develop it as plain old b/w film. It would give me a density and stain on my film that I could contact print it on anything from silver to cyanotype, and it was the perfect developer for paper negatives seeing paper is sometimes contrasty in certain situations. eventually I turned left and split processed all my film 1/2 the time in dektol or ansco130 and 1/2 the time in the caffenol mixed the same way and processed everything for the same time and temperature no matter the exposure, or iso of my film, like a universal developer. it worked for well for me for about 15 years. I don't process enough film these days to have a giant vat of coffee and washing soda on my darkroom sink so I just use sprint film developer now, its easy and locally made.

So why not continue with the coffee concoction even though you are shooting less? Instead of filling up a gallon plus plastic container, just mix up a quart?
 

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Are there any image quality benefits to developing black and white film in coffee or beer? If not, what is the allure?
For me there were a few reasons for using beer. I travel a lot for work and can't always take chemistry with me so I wanted a way to develop with stuff I can get at the grocery store. That's why I experimented with doing a salt fix but so far I have always found a way to bring fix or purchase it locally. The salt fix does work so I can always do that in a pinch. I like to minimize the amount of toxic chemicals I use. I can just dump the Beerenol down the drain when I'm done. I don't have to worry about water quality that I'm not familiar with,beer is always consistent wherever I get it. Plus, I think I get good results with it. I do use Rodinal and HC-110 occasionally.
 

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So why not continue with the coffee concoction even though you are shooting less? Instead of filling up a gallon plus plastic container, just mix up a quart?

im too bored to always be mixing developer, I'd rather just get in the darkroom and get it over with. that said I have a vat of caffenol that I made a month 2 ago, I just haven' shot any film lately to develop... oh yea what BAC1967 said about less toxic stuff, I've travelled out of the states and wanted to process all my film, I just went to the grocery store and got the ingredients I needed and it worked fine, and it seems a bit less harsh putting it in the drain if I made s small amount. if you ever are in France "old gringo" coffee is probably the cheapest and best instant coffee for caffenol you will find. I've got some salt but haven't used it to stabilize my film yet.. someday I guess when I'm marooned :smile:
 
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So why not continue with the coffee concoction even though you are shooting less? Instead of filling up a gallon plus plastic container, just mix up a quart?

Coffee just shoots through me! :errm::cry: :sick::cry::mad:
 

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Just tried it, works faster with some baking soda sprinkled on the tomato first: Tomatonol. So tomatoes have dangerous phenols in them - I suppose the responsible thing would be to place a wild hysterical call to a bio-hazmat removal team to come dispose of my tomatoes.
did you see the link for metol ? there's a difference between plant based developing agents like tomatoes or rosemary or mint or pine needles or chlorophyl and metol which is bad for you and bad for the environment.
"Image quality" never struck me as a high priority around here - what with Holgas and negative scans made with cell-phones.
In any case, it is something to amuse oneself with while waiting to die. Like listening to music, going to the movies, going to a family reunion, catching Covid...
Maybe for some image quality isn't a high priority, but for others it is ... like everything else? people just post images to the internet for fun, and a problem with the internet is that if you post images that are "high quality" sh*theads steal them so its a catch-22 (BTDT).. I guess these photographers deserve shade cause they like to enjoy themselves, bought trunks full of film when the industry almost tanked, and aren't hung up on gear worship &c., you know enjoying a glass of white zin, on the bearskin rug and fireplace with a ebony...(I miss Jonathan Cook's posts! )
No. It’s the opposite.
Why do you say that ? How often have you used these developers often enough to have such a strong opinion ? or are you like Nicholas Linden suggesting that its pretty much a waste of time like using a Holga or ... have ever seen Stephen Schuab's figital revolution site?

YMMV
 

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Good morning. Today I tried for the first time to develop a film at home. The problem was that at the end of the development, finding a sink occupied by water and various containers, taken by haste, I emptied the liquid into the left sink where there were also dirty dishes. I threw the liquid into the drain hole, not over the plates, but now I'm worried. I washed everything twice with dish soap and cleaned the sink. Can I rest easy or do I have to do some Further cleaning?

Hahaha! When I started photography in my teens, I loaded the developing tank under the bedclothes (suffocating but dark) and begged use of the kitchen sink from my mother. After I had finished, she would scrub it vigorously with bleach and other powerful household cleaners. It was useless to try to explain the chemistry. Bless her, she was amazingly tolerant considering how far out of her depth she was.
 

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Well I wish such warnings (and a general attitude of being cautious at chemical training) had been there when I started processing. I learned my lesson the hard way, that being cautious may not be enough. .

Please tell us more. I sense a good story here.

That is if it isn't too personal. Battles with the lower extremities and all that...

I once kept my containers of developer and fixer in recycled yoghurt containers in the fridge. A friend who used to visit and help himself to whatever was in our fridge, used the fixer to make soup. Without going into any lurid details, one mouthful of the stuff was enough to convince us a grave mistake had taken place. Down the toilet it went.

I consulted my GP who queried, determined I'd had a small mouthful and spat most of it out, and told me most likely no harm would ensue. One friend who ate some was a Scientologist and had himself subjected to extensive (and expensive) treatments to determine what if any damage the one mouthful of fixer soup had done. Fortunately for him (if not so much his bank balance), nothing untoward had occurred.

This was in 1982. We are all sill alive and well yet to tell the tale.
 
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"Back Then" whilst making a working solution from film developer concentrate Ultrafin Liquid I got few droplets onto the back of my hand. It happened about two feet off the water tap, thus I rinsed those within seconds.
But still I go nasty, terrible itching blisters.
I am absolutely shure that I did not have any skin contact with this film developer before. And I did not use another.
And I am very sure that I had no skin contact with any paper developer either.

And I do not see it as allergic reaction anyway. And I myself already was very cautious about avoiding any skin contact, just that I did not wear gloves.
There was no respective warning advice neither on the bottle, the manual nor in any textbook.
And for instance single-use gloves were even not yet available for consumers.
 

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AgX, an interesting reaction. I've not used Ultrafin before, but am assuming it came in a highly concentrated solution. it seems to me that you have an allergy to one (or possibly several) chemicals in the 'mix' which made you break out in blisters. May I say, I'm relieved that no further harm came to you as the result of contact with those few drops. An interesting story, many thanks for having posted it.

Back in the late 1950s, when I was a wee nipper in my early teens and the world was a vastly different place from the sad state it is in today, I knew an old photographer in my home town in Canada, who did all our family photos (on 4x5" ortho plates, and odd images they are to look at today, with our black lips and a death-like pallor on all his portraits. He processed all his films and prints in open trays with his hands. I recall his fingernails were black, obviously from some chemical in the home-brewed developers he brewed up - maybe pyro.

As almost everyone (except me) in those days, he smoked in his darkroom and being an old gentleman of very quirky personal hygienic habits, he would rinse out his stainless steel roll film tank under a hot water tap and then drink beer or whisky and ginger ale from it. For all his excesses he lived well into his eighties and eventually passed on from a severe stroke and by a fatal heart attack the next day, probably brought on by his sixty-year, two-pack a day cigarette habit.

Nobody paid much attention to matters like darkroom safely in those long ago days. When my dad built me a small home darkroom (in our linen cupboard at the top of the stairs) I had read an early Kodak darkroom guide and insisted on putting a small fan in the light-proofed window. On being told this the old gentleman pooh-pooed this as being so much airy-fairy gobbledegook, noting he had done very nicely for the past forty years of more... with all the windows sealed shut and then blacked out AND a kerosene heater he kept set on high in the cold months.

I think people were much tougher back then. I had proper clips (or tongs or whatever we called them then) for all my printing work - in fact I still have the original tongs I bought in 1958 - and very carefully washed my tank, trays, mixing jugs and bottles and anything that had come into contact with the chemistry I used then, in a laundry tub we had in our garage.

I've mixed some odd chemistry in my time - various dilutions of selenium and sepia toners, bleach and redevelop mixes, and an odd film developer I brewed up in the '90s from some obscure source to try and salvage 20 rolls of 50-year old Kodak film someone had and wanted the images rescued from if possible. This developer had sodium hydroxide in it, what for I've forgotten and I didn't keep any notes (now I wish I had, if only to satisfy my curiosity), and was really an effort to mix, as SH doesn't cope well with hot water and I had to add it to the mixed developer after it had cooled. Oddly, the films all came out and the client was happy, so it succeeded. That was probably my most adventurous project in the darkroom. These days I stay entirely with conventional chemistry, but I still clean carefully before and wash everything out carefully after a processing or printing session. That's just how I work.

I have always thought it pays to be careful, but it's also important to not overdo it, and above all not to overthink it too much.
 

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I have always thought it pays to be careful, but it's also important to not overdo it, and above all not to overthink it too much.
I think you have captured in one sentence what may be termed a "recipe for life in general" :smile:

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