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Bechers exhibition in London until March 28th '26

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@Ardpatrick my apologies for failing to follow-up on your interesting and thoughtful message (#23). I thought about it some more, but I think we might simply disagree on the second part of your post. But perhaps this disagreement stems from a failure on my end to follow your line of reasoning, which I would (perhaps haphazardly) summarize as: because technology is central in the typologies that the Bechers made, it follows that technique in the photographic process is relevant. If that is part of your argument, then we must disagree - as I think this would be too weak a connection to justify focus on questions surrounding e.g. capture technique, film development etc.

What I do not contest is that these typologies do indeed revolve around technology, and specifically in my understanding research into the question to what extent a 'dominant design' is inevitable if man-made structures serve essentially the same function. The answer (with the facility of hindsight, since they did all the legwork over the course of decade) might be summarized as: to a large extent, there's a convergence in these architecture, that involves a form-follows-function logic. At the same time, all photographed objects are undeniably unique. In a way, the evolution of man-made structures mimics the clustering of variety within the same species resulting from biological evolution. I suppose these insights, as well as several more that can be distilled from the Bechers' typologies, are sufficiently generic or universal that they lend themselves well to reflections on parallels between many kinds of different contexts.

I also acknowledge that the aesthetic choices by sheer necessity had to support this analytical function underlying these typologies. This is regardless of the question whether the Bechers very intentionally designed the project this way, or that it "sort of happened" as an amalgam of artistic drive/necessity/urge, experimentation and reflection. Either way, they converged onto a clear methodology, which was undoubtedly informed also by Hilla's training. One of the requirements of this methodological approach is to be able to recognize and indeed emphasize the inherent characteristics of the objects they took stock of, while systematically removing as much "faff" as possible (sometimes quite literally, as shown in the charming video shared earlier in the thread). The featureless skies are a logical consequence. I remain of the position that the question how to make the skies featureless was really not that relevant in understanding the nature of the work or the conceptual exercise. The question why they were featureless, I find more interesting, although as argued in the past few sentences, I think it's kind of an obvious (and in a way, inescapable) choice. Still, the discussion of the 'why' I think is relevant for its own sake, and it also offers plenty of opportunity to explore the 'how'.

As to the 'how' - again, taking the question at face value I remain unconvinced of its relevance, but I do acknowledge that it might be interesting, fun or stimulating to try to understand the specific approach Hilla (it would have been mostly her decision, I assume) chose within the context of her training and it was embedded in a particular tradition. In my mind, the 'nuggets' to be found in that investigation would relate more to that photographic tradition (how it came to be, how it might have felt to Hilla, how it affected future developments, how it different from other contemporary 'communities of practice), or perhaps Hilla herself and her views (was she a traditionalist or an innovator, or both; did she attribute particular intrinsic value to technical considerations or were they more of a pragmatic issue, etc).

In short, once the technical execution is viewed in a certain context, I can see merit in exploring it (other than "just for the heck of it", which is fine by me as well). But still, as a quasi-causal consequence of the technical nature of the subject matter - that would be a bit too much of a philosophical stretch for me.
 
@Ardpatrick my apologies for failing to follow-up on your interesting and thoughtful message (#23). I thought about it some more, but I think we might simply disagree on the second part of your post. But perhaps this disagreement stems from a failure on my end to follow your line of reasoning, which I would (perhaps haphazardly) summarize as: because technology is central in the typologies that the Bechers made, it follows that technique in the photographic process is relevant. If that is part of your argument, then we must disagree - as I think this would be too weak a connection to justify focus on questions surrounding e.g. capture technique, film development etc.

What I do not contest is that these typologies do indeed revolve around technology, and specifically in my understanding research into the question to what extent a 'dominant design' is inevitable if man-made structures serve essentially the same function. The answer (with the facility of hindsight, since they did all the legwork over the course of decade) might be summarized as: to a large extent, there's a convergence in these architecture, that involves a form-follows-function logic. At the same time, all photographed objects are undeniably unique. In a way, the evolution of man-made structures mimics the clustering of variety within the same species resulting from biological evolution. I suppose these insights, as well as several more that can be distilled from the Bechers' typologies, are sufficiently generic or universal that they lend themselves well to reflections on parallels between many kinds of different contexts.

I also acknowledge that the aesthetic choices by sheer necessity had to support this analytical function underlying these typologies. This is regardless of the question whether the Bechers very intentionally designed the project this way, or that it "sort of happened" as an amalgam of artistic drive/necessity/urge, experimentation and reflection. Either way, they converged onto a clear methodology, which was undoubtedly informed also by Hilla's training. One of the requirements of this methodological approach is to be able to recognize and indeed emphasize the inherent characteristics of the objects they took stock of, while systematically removing as much "faff" as possible (sometimes quite literally, as shown in the charming video shared earlier in the thread). The featureless skies are a logical consequence. I remain of the position that the question how to make the skies featureless was really not that relevant in understanding the nature of the work or the conceptual exercise. The question why they were featureless, I find more interesting, although as argued in the past few sentences, I think it's kind of an obvious (and in a way, inescapable) choice. Still, the discussion of the 'why' I think is relevant for its own sake, and it also offers plenty of opportunity to explore the 'how'.

As to the 'how' - again, taking the question at face value I remain unconvinced of its relevance, but I do acknowledge that it might be interesting, fun or stimulating to try to understand the specific approach Hilla (it would have been mostly her decision, I assume) chose within the context of her training and it was embedded in a particular tradition. In my mind, the 'nuggets' to be found in that investigation would relate more to that photographic tradition (how it came to be, how it might have felt to Hilla, how it affected future developments, how it different from other contemporary 'communities of practice), or perhaps Hilla herself and her views (was she a traditionalist or an innovator, or both; did she attribute particular intrinsic value to technical considerations or were they more of a pragmatic issue, etc).

In short, once the technical execution is viewed in a certain context, I can see merit in exploring it (other than "just for the heck of it", which is fine by me as well). But still, as a quasi-causal consequence of the technical nature of the subject matter - that would be a bit too much of a philosophical stretch for me.

Thanks for the challenging thoughts Koraks.

Agreeing to disagree, or at least, have different perspectives, is a fine place to begin, and to end. Just to be clear, I do concur that the 'why' of the sky treatment is far richer a question than the 'how'. Of course it is - firstly because it radically shifts the photographs away from painterly pictorialism. Think of the importance of sky in Constable, or 19C Plein Air painting, or Cezanne. The sky is important in all of those topographical renderings, and very much part of the composition. The Bechers separated their imagery from those pictorial templates, - blowing out / dodging, or by whatever means, removing the sky largely, so the emphasis shifts to the 'typology' in the centre of the composition (also always central to the frame), and away from the preoccupations of pictorial composition that have dominated Euro-centric pictorialism since the Renaissance. That's a central quality of the work.

As to the 'how' well it was always ever a footnote type query on my part, albeit an enthusiastic query. I don't think it's minor quality warranted your earlier responses (albeit I acknowledge the cloud of technophilia that pervades much of the discussion on these forums) - but Lachlan delivered a wonderfully learned insight in response. Likewise I appreciate your testing questions which have made me think anew on the rich circumstances the Bechers work sits within, and the wonder of the work itself.
 
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