Bad Pan F ??

[hacked - sepiareverb]

Why is this thread still here? There's no bad Ilford film. Just gives the wrong idea.

We're waiting for NB23 to pony up.

 

[erikg]

If the box were on the closer cheek, it would block the buttocks crease which would make it less interesting


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

What box?

 

[StoneNYC]

We're waiting for NB23 to pony up.

Well I did say "put up or shut up" so maybe he just chose the later


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[StoneNYC]

What box?

Yea I think the memory of the shot is why I mixed the developer wrong, I must have still been distracted


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[AgX]

What box?

Yea I think the memory of the shot is why I mixed the developer wrong, I must have still been distracted

The box of Pandora... the evil began.

 

[StoneNYC]

The box of Pandora... the evil began.

Oh yes it did! I can't post the other pictures as I think APUG might just explode from their indecency lol


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[hacked - sepiareverb]

I can't post the other pictures as I think APUG might just explode from their indecency lol

Ah, an SD card on her belly eh?

Well I did say "put up or shut up" so maybe he just chose the later

Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[StoneNYC]

Ah, an SD card on her belly eh?




Wouldn't be the first time.

Hahahahha!!!! OMG what a great idea!! Even better would be an SD card in an ilford box, haha

Or a whole digital camera in the shot!




~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[madgardener]

Hahahahha!!!! OMG what a great idea!! Even better would be an SD card in an ilford box, haha

Or a whole digital camera in the shot!

May the Ilford God Simon smite you for blasphemy!

 

[NB23]

Wouldn't be the first time.

Wtf does that mean?
You have any examples of that?

About this pan-f conversation, i will post a picture that absolutely proves my point about the latent image theory being absolute BS. No matter what you or mister galley say. I'll do it when I'll have the time to do it. My real life is extremely busy. All these internet conversations are more childish then anything else to me. There's no "put up or shut up" with me. When I say something it is because I totally mean it.

Until now, no one has still convinced me that I am wrong.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Well, this thread has been rather amusing to read.

 

[railwayman3]

FWIW, I found in a box in my garage (damp, hot in summer, cold in winter) a Kodak disposable camera (expired 2003) containing a half-finished 400 speed film. I recently finished off the film and sent it away for cheapy D&P.
The "old" shots had faded as if badly underexposed, while the recent shots were as good as fresh film. But, oddly, all the edge markings were bold as a fresh film! How do we explain that?

 

[brianmquinn]

i will post a picture that absolutely proves my point about the latent image theory being absolute BS.

Do not waste your time posting the picture. Move on with life, and shoot some film then develop it promptly.

No matter what your picture shows it will not prove to me that "the latent image theory being absolute BS". Only a carefully controlled study will do that. That study will take at least a year if we shoot one image a week or 10 days and have other films tested side by side.

A Pentax LX or MZ-S that lets you reload a film exactly and reshoot the roll from where you left off would be perfect for this study. I have one but really have no interest in doing this study as I will not let any Pan-F I shoot sit around for months before I develop it.

 

[brianmquinn]

Something else of interest.

NOTE :"particularly in low exposure areas" in this thread.

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[brianmquinn]

A simple test for edge marking stability might be to get a fresh roll of Pan-F and leave it unexposed.

Every time you develop an exposed roll of Pan-F just include a inch or so of the unexpoded roll in the tank. As long as you use the same devloper and time each roll you may see the edge marking fade over time on the unexposed roll.

A question; Are the edge markings, "in low exposure areas"?

 

[StoneNYC]

Wtf does that mean?
You have any examples of that?

About this pan-f conversation, i will post a picture that absolutely proves my point about the latent image theory being absolute BS. No matter what you or mister galley say. I'll do it when I'll have the time to do it. My real life is extremely busy. All these internet conversations are more childish then anything else to me. There's no "put up or shut up" with me. When I say something it is because I totally mean it.

Until now, no one has still convinced me that I am wrong.

As another said. Posting a print doesn't prove anything.

And "when I say something I mean it" doesn't mean anything either, if you're unwilling to send off the film to ilford, then you're ether afraid of being proven wrong, lying and trolling, or just plain lazy.

I'm watching "game of thrones" a show on HBO so I'm prone to say bold things like ...

"Either send the film or be viewed by all in the community as a coward and a liar!"

Haha I'm cheeky this Sunday afternoon


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Ian Grant]

Summing up, the consensus is that that anyone making comments like this "I don't get all these warnings and extra careful manipulations. I really don't care how I handle my films" and then making all kinds of unfounded complaints really can't be taken seriously.

Oh and BTW Stone from a few time zones ahead of you: It's still Saturday

Ian

 

[perkeleellinen]

Also, my HP5 films behave differently from time to time. I'm not sure what to think about that. It's still my favorite film, though.

I'd still like to hear more about this.

 

[StoneNYC]

Summing up, the consensus is that that anyone making comments like this "I don't get all these warnings and extra careful manipulations. I really don't care how I handle my films" and then making all kinds of unfounded complaints really can't be taken seriously.

Oh and BTW Stone from a few time zones ahead of you: It's still Saturday

Ian

Hahaha OMG it's SATURDAY!!!! That means I get another day!!! Haha so funny, I did an overnight on a movie set and came home at 7am (Saturday morning) and then passed out and woke at around 11am, but because I went to sleep on Saturday, I was thinking it was Sunday haha.

Your other response reminds me about when I was saying I thought Tmax400 was not producing any good tones and then said to someone who suggested changing agitation and I said "I don't care about agitation technique changes I want to not change anything and have good images" or something like that, and then I went and changed my technique (I compromised to somewhere in between my old and his suggested) and got some nice results.

Sometimes it takes time to accept that you're wrong or foolish, sometimes it never happens haha


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[brianmquinn]

A simple test for edge marking stability might be to get a fresh roll of Pan-F and leave it unexposed.

Every time you develop an exposed roll of Pan-F just include a inch or so of the unexpoded roll in the tank. As long as you use the same devloper and time each roll you may see the edge marking fade over time on the unexposed roll.

A question; Are the edge markings, "in low exposure areas"?

Better than an unexposed roll shoot a step table 36 times and use a 3 inch clip in the tank each time. With 3 inches you should get all of the steps visible each time (plus the edge markings). There is no way to know exactly when the edge marking were put on the film but we would know the date of the step tablet images.

 

[NB23]

So guys, why do these expired films (2005) with markings that might be dating as far back as 2000 show up so nicely, contrasty and sharp?
Shouldn't they be faint, or even completely non-existent, according to the "poor latent image theory" that some people want to believe?

I firmly stand on my position: There is either a manufacturing inconsistency, bad QC or we're being sold some very expired but marked as fresh film.
I'm not accusing Ilford. But as a consumer with minimal knowledge, I just can't swallow quite easily the fact that some Fresh pan-f go bad on me while some other 8 years expired pan-f films look incredibly good.

Poor latent image? No way.

 

[wblynch]

Don't like it? Don't buy it.

Simple

Done

 

[NB23]

You really didn't get it.
What's not to like? Look at the marvelous, deep rich tones.

 

[ath]

NB23, pretty stong words from

a consumer with minimal knowledge

Unless you know exactly how the edge markings you compare have been generated the only conclusion you can draw from their appearance is wether you mixed up developer and fixer or not.

 

[pdeeh]

There is either a manufacturing inconsistency, bad QC or we're being sold some very expired but marked as fresh film

I'm not accusing Ilford.

You can't have it both ways.

At the very least, you are suggesting Ilford are acting in bad faith, while you go on to suggest they might be acting fraudulently.