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I recently acquired a MF camera and was wondering which B&W films most of you use or seem to have a preference for. I've had good results shooting Acros 100 and HP5+ in 35mm but I understand that your mileage may vary with some emulsions in different formats. In other words, the results you acheive and expect in one format may not necessarily translate to say a larger format film.
 

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I think the best emulsion is T-max 400 but the thick base would occasionally bulge in the center of the frame, maybe more so than the thinner based films in my 30 year MF experience.
 

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Acros 100 in 120 is one of my favorites, I shoot lots of Arista EDU ultra 100.
 

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Your current films will work well in MF. Shoot a couple of rolls each and compare the results with your 35 mm work.

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The most beautiful 120 roll I've shot so far out of Pan F, FP4 and Rollei Retro 400S was the Retro 400S developed standard 1:25 in RO9. I've got a 400TX 120 roll ready to develop but I've already seen what that is like as 35mm – I like it but my preference so far is the Retro 400S for it's tone and texture. 400S curls at first due to its backing but has settled down since first developed. Worth checking out.
 

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Best answer I can give you is to try what you know and if you don't like the results branch out form there. Honestly, even if you like the results I would try several brands of film anyway just to see if you like the look of them better.
 

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Agree that TMY-400 is a very nice emulsion, perhaps the very best 400 emulsion ever made; concerning the thicker base of this excellent film my experience is the opposite from ic-racer, especially in my old folding cameras in which I had problems with the thinner based films. Another thing I like with the TMY base is that when dry it's completely flat and very easy to scan; not that flat with Acros 100, perhaps it depends on the washing water – though Acros 100 is a very nice film which I normally develop in Rodinal.
/Bertil
 

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Stick with the films you are using in 35mm and you won't go far wrong as you already know the films and are happy with the results you are getting, and HP5 is very good in MF, I talk from experiance as I have used the stuff for many years, when you are getting repeatable results the try something else, Personaly these days I use a lot of Fomapan 400 as I like the results I am getting with it
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I recently acquired a MF camera and was wondering which B&W films most of you use or seem to have a preference for. I've had good results shooting Acros 100 and HP5+ in 35mm but I understand that your mileage may vary with some emulsions in different formats. In other words, the results you acheive and expect in one format may not necessarily translate to say a larger format film.

I would strongly recommend using what you're used to. Acros 100 and HP5+ will give you an identical tonal palette in 120 as it gives in 35mm, but with less grain and smoother tonal gradations.

Why fix what isn't broken?
 

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Difficult to say, all film can be done fine if you know how to use them, i came here and on another websites and people recommending me different films, some say Tri-x is the best, others say TMY is the best, and some swear by Ilford, i ended up to use all or most of them and have great results with all of them [until now only Delta 3200 i couldn't make it better with 2 rolls only i shot], so i feel that people just use and keep using what they like even there are better or equal films, i am that kind of guy where i don't care to stay with one option, i was happy with all films, and honestly, because i have many boxes of TMAX so i use them for tests more than any another films, but i try to make Acros and HP5+ as my best film, one day i will try to make Tri-X to be one of the favorite as for 2 rolls i did i don't see it as special over another films yet unless i test it different way to judge/decide.
 
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If you need to KNOW what to expect, it is always best to use what you know.

It is impossible to know exactly what every film will give you. It is possible to have a rough idea of what they can do. But if you took every film on the market, and try to understand it fully, most people just wouldn't have the amount of time it takes to know everything about every film. It is, quite frankly speaking, stupid to even try. Why is it stupid? Because you will waste so much time trying to understand film, all while you could be out there making fantastic photographs with something you already know.

The whole question about what film is 'best' is completely unnecessary. Because all films are 'best' - depending on what you want. One single film can be treated in many many different ways, even with one single developer, to produce completely different results. If you know exactly where the limits are with one single film, how to make absolutely the most out of your chosen emulsion, you stand a much better chance at making something amazing with it than trying to pick a film that suits the situation. The best weapon in anything that has to do with film photography is KNOWLEDGE about our materials.

I have, for the last couple of years, used mainly TMax 400 and Fuji Acros for all of my shooting. There have been a couple of other films that were given to me that I have tried, but for anything important I have used those two. It has never in that time occurred to me that I need to try a different film to try to get a different result. All I have had to do, in all of that time, is to change how I expose and develop the same films, to get the results I want and NEED.

You are, of course, welcome to do what you want. Some people really think it's a lot of fun to try different films, and that's OK. But if your intent with photography is to produce not 'good' photographs, but 'amazing' prints, you are far far better off using the same materials over and over again.
The limitations of our results are NEVER because of our materials. That is just a bad excuse for not really learning. The limitations always lay with us, our KNOWLEDGE, and our SKILLS.

Now it's your choice to figure out what you wish to achieve. Fun with film? Or do you want to produce amazing portfolios of photographs?

If paying your home mortgage depends on the results you are able to produce, you will ALWAYS want to know exactly what to expect, every single time you click the shutter. It has to be bullet proof. There are so many other variables to deal with - lighting, composition, making a portrait sitter comfortable and performing their best, exposure, environment, etc. The least thing you want is to have one more variable. Imagine traveling to a particular destination that you may never visit again. You want to photograph it. Would you really want to test a new film while doing this? No, of course not. The more constants we have in this situation, the better it is. That way we are more free to create and produce amazing work to the clients.

I am not dependent on paying my mortgage with photography. But I am in the business of making the very best prints I can make. So my choice is to continue using TMax 400 and Acros until they are discontinued. This allows me to think about the PICTURES, and not about my MATERIALS, which would be severely limiting to me.
 
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If you need to KNOW what to expect, it is always best to use what you know.

It is impossible to know exactly what every film will give you. It is possible to have a rough idea of what they can do. But if you took every film on the market, and try to understand it fully, most people just wouldn't have the amount of time it takes to know everything about every film. It is, quite frankly speaking, stupid to even try. Why is it stupid? Because you will waste so much time trying to understand film, all while you could be out there making fantastic photographs with something you already know.

The whole question about what film is 'best' is completely unnecessary. Because all films are 'best' - depending on what you want. One single film can be treated in many many different ways, even with one single developer, to produce completely different results. If you know exactly where the limits are with one single film, how to make absolutely the most out of your chosen emulsion, you stand a much better chance at making something amazing with it than trying to pick a film that suits the situation. The best weapon in anything that has to do with film photography is KNOWLEDGE about our materials.

I have, for the last couple of years, used mainly TMax 400 and Fuji Acros for all of my shooting. There have been a couple of other films that were given to me that I have tried, but for anything important I have used those two. It has never in that time occurred to me that I need to try a different film to try to get a different result. All I have had to do, in all of that time, is to change how I expose and develop the same films, to get the results I want and NEED.

You are, of course, welcome to do what you want. Some people really think it's a lot of fun to try different films, and that's OK. But if your intent with photography is to produce not 'good' photographs, but 'amazing' prints, you are far far better off using the same materials over and over again.
The limitations of our results are NEVER because of our materials. That is just a bad excuse for not really learning. The limitations always lay with us, our KNOWLEDGE, and our SKILLS.

Now it's your choice to figure out what you wish to achieve. Fun with film? Or do you want to produce amazing portfolios of photographs?

If paying your home mortgage depends on the results you are able to produce, you will ALWAYS want to know exactly what to expect, every single time you click the shutter. It has to be bullet proof. There are so many other variables to deal with - lighting, composition, making a portrait sitter comfortable and performing their best, exposure, environment, etc. The least thing you want is to have one more variable. Imagine traveling to a particular destination that you may never visit again. You want to photograph it. Would you really want to test a new film while doing this? No, of course not. The more constants we have in this situation, the better it is. That way we are more free to create and produce amazing work to the clients.

I am not dependent on paying my mortgage with photography. But I am in the business of making the very best prints I can make. So my choice is to continue using TMax 400 and Acros until they are discontinued. This allows me to think about the PICTURES, and not about my MATERIALS, which would be severely limiting to me.

Nuf said!!!
 

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Another plus for the Rollei films. I loved their R³ emulsion, was beautiful, and versatile. My main films are now Rollei Ortho25, and Rolleipan 200. I'm anxious to try the 400S, and IR film, which can be rated @ EI 400 sans filters. Need a 400 speed for 4x5 that's not Ilford or Kodak. Despise TMax films altogether. After over 20 years, I've never been satisfied with anything from them. Were Agfa still around, their APX 25, 100, and 400 (all legendary emulsions), would be the best to try. Nearly 40 years behind the lens, I've used just about everything, but the Rollei films have the high quality standard I haven't seen from the others in decades.

But since Rollei uses the old Agfa R/D facilities in Belgium, their films are top notch. Not saying they're the cheapest, but the best never comes w/out a price. One other film to try would be the Efke 25. It's very smooth tonally, and the only non-Rollei (Agfa reborn) film I use. About to try their color emulsions, otherwise I'm using E100VS.
 

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I know that sticking with what you know makes sense but so does trying something new. In business not taking risks can be a risky strategy.

I would also say that what i like at 35mm I don't necessarily like at 120. I like Tri-X at 35mm but find it less exciting at 120.
 

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Kodak will stop making this stuff once I endorse it, but their Tri X 400 in 120 is your best all round film shot at 800 and developed in Diafine. 4+4 Nothing better. Finest gradation you will find. Next best is Rollei's 200 Super Pan. Shot at 200 and developed in Diafine. 4+4. sUPER GRADATION. aDD A #29 FILTER AND IT WILL GO ir FOR YOu, too ( sorry about the cap locks... it happens) add a #87 and it will really go IR!.... needs about 6 more stops of exposure, of course. Rolleijoe has right answer here. Don't know where to get Rollei film. Try Freestyle.
Logan
 
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MF Film

Film/Developer Combo:

ADOX CHS 100 in Fomadon R09, 1:100, for 22 minutes.
TMAX 100, HC-110, 1:63, for 15 minutes


I started shooting medium format film over 42 years ago when you could still buy B & W film at SEARS for .73 cents a roll (or the venerable Kodak Verichrome) --both developed in D76.

Enjoy!!!!

Later-Joe
 

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IMO - Identify a preferred ISO, then developer. Find a film that matches. For me, I prefer ISO400 films and Rodinal (low cost, lasts forever and very sharp at the expense of fine grain). Between TMY2, HP5+ and TriX, I like TMY2 the best (exposed at ISO 200, 10 min in Rodianl 1:50 @ 20'c).

Others will differ, of course.
 
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