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Neil Genower

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I am in the market for a black and white enlarger. I have currently seen two that fit my requirements: first is a

BESELER 23CII-XL and the second is a​

Durst M805 B&W Enlarger With Universal Carrier.​

Curious to know what folk's opinions of these two. I will print 35mm but mostly 6x7 occasionally 6x9 but this isn't a deal breaker.
I will be printing on Ilford multigrade warmtone FB
If you have experience with an alternative enlarger that you can recommend, I would be grateful of your input.
Very many thanks

 

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I'd simply choose the one in better condition, & that comes with all the parts. Either will do the job for you.
(I have both a Beseler 45MXT and a Durst 138 both do the job.)
 

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Looking at Ebay UK, Beselers are not common, I do see a number of Durst, Rollie, and LP, I have a LP 6700 with color head it is a very nice enlarger, well made, easy to use. There are many I have no experience with. If you have a line on the Besesler I would give it some thought. One the 23C are pretty rugged, they were common in high school and collage darkrooms, 2 bellows, you need a second condenser, easy to keep in alignment, the XL has the tall column for up to 16X20 (inch) enlargements on the base. What you need to look for are the negative carriers, you need the 35mm, 6X7 and 6X9 along with a set of lens. Here in the U.S you can find 3D printed negative carriers.
 

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I would check and see what the availability of parts would be in your area. Near me, I wouldn’t even consider a Durst unless it came as a complete kit with spare parts.
 
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Looking at Ebay UK, Beselers are not common, I do see a number of Durst, Rollie, and LP, I have a LP 6700 with color head it is a very nice enlarger, well made, easy to use. There are many I have no experience with. If you have a line on the Besesler I would give it some thought. One the 23C are pretty rugged, they were common in high school and collage darkrooms, 2 bellows, you need a second condenser, easy to keep in alignment, the XL has the tall column for up to 16X20 (inch) enlargements on the base. What you need to look for are the negative carriers, you need the 35mm, 6X7 and 6X9 along with a set of lens. Here in the U.S you can find 3D printed negative carriers.

Thank you for taking the time to look at Ebay UK. It seems the Beselers are more common in the US. It says "single condenser system" ( on the ad for the one I have in mind)- does that mean I don't need any other condensers? The neg holders are always the issue with me, they often fail to grip the negative securely enough, although the Beseler ones look pretty simple and effective. Are the 3D printed versions OK?
 
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The 23C has a "ZOOM" condenser -- you move it to the correct position for the film format you are using.

And Beseler made carriers for evey format imaginable. EZ to find.
 

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Thank you for taking the time to look at EbayUK. It seems the Beselers are more common in the US. It says "single condenser system" ( on the ad for the one I have in mind)- does that mean I don't need any other condensers? The neg holders are always the issue with me, they often fail to grip the negative securely enough, although the Beseler ones look pretty simple and effective.

As xkaes notes the single condenser system refers to the Beseler system of moving ("zooming") the condenser lenses, thereby eliminating the need for separate condenser sets for different formats. This of course only applies to the condenser heads. My old Durst 6x6 enlarger used the bottom of the upper condenser as part of the negative carrier, adding more glass surfaces to collect dust. I never got a dust free print out of it, but I was a kid working out of a closet, so that might have had something to do with it. I am now fanatic about dust in my darkroom and use the glass carrier in my Beseler 45 often with no issues. If it is easier to get bits and pieces for the Durst in your part of the world, all other things being equal, I would go with it. Here in the US Beselers are ubiquitous and all the bits and pieces are easy to come by when you need them.
 
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The 23C has a "ZOOM" condenser -- you move it to the correct position for the film format you are using.

And Beseler made carriers for evey format imaginable. EZ to find.

Ah, yes.. I saw that in a video, the condenser moving from 35mm (high) to 6 x 9 (low). There are certainly an impressive amount of carriers, although they are pretty pricey and almost all in the US.
 
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The single condenser system refers to the Beseler system of moving the negative stage closer or further away from the condenser lenses, thereby eliminating the need for separate condenser sets for different formats. This of course only applies to the condenser heads. My old Durst 6x6 enlarger used the bottom of the upper condenser as part of the negative carrier, adding more glass surfaces to collect dust. I never got a dust free print out of it, but I was a kid working out of a closet, so that might have had something to do with it. I am now fanatic about dust in my darkroom and use the glass carrier in my Beseler 45 often with no issues. If it is easier to get bits and pieces for the Durst in your part of the world, all other things being equal, I would go with it. Here in the US Beselers are ubiquitous and all the bits and pieces are easy to come by when you need them.

Yup, you're probably right regarding the spare parts...do they fail often? I too would be paranoid about dust, I'm will be working in a smallish office in my smallish Victorian London house, I've got about 120 years of dust knocking around just waiting for a suitable neg :smile:
 

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The "spare parts" I am thinking of are more like negative carriers, lens boards, color heads, etc that you may want in the future if you try a new format, color vs B&W, different enlarger lenses. Actual spare parts from mechanical failure, no. I have had my old Beseler 23c and 45's for decades and have never needed to replace a failed part.
 

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I am in the market for a black and white enlarger. I have currently seen two that fit my requirements: first is a

BESELER 23CII-XL and the second is a​

Durst M805 B&W Enlarger With Universal Carrier.​

Curious to know what folk's opinions of these two. I will print 35mm but mostly 6x7 occasionally 6x9 but this isn't a deal breaker.
I will be printing on Ilford multigrade warmtone FB
If you have experience with an alternative enlarger that you can recommend, I would be grateful of your input.
Very many thanks


Hi Neil,

If your requirements are 35mm, 6x7and occasionally 6x9cm, either enlarger are fine. The Beselers are not common in the UK - if you can find it - great however check out the baseboard max diameter size and the power unit wiring for 220Volt UK which may deter you.

I've blown up and short-circuited enough American made equipment including linking timers via American voltage systems. I don't recommend using an American made enlarger at all unless you are very good at the wiring and finding spare parts. It's more of a headache than anything. My Gralab timer which I blew up is currently in surgery waiting for resuscitation :smile:

The Durst M805 is more advanced than the Durst M670 which I used to teach on. They are alright. I still have the Compulux module timer as a souvenir although its not much use without a Durst. The M805 is quite large compared to the Beseler or alternative 6x9cm enlargers which sit less well in English cottage homes. They are fine and parts from Germany are much easier to come by than Beseler.

Like many in the United Kingdom, the DeVere system is popular for its 5x4 and step down masks. There is a 203 series 6x9cm - 35mm enlarger which is very sturdy and more robust than either Durst or Beseler series. I use a Devere 5x4 for personal work and prefer this over and above all the other enlargers for its cold cathode light and extreme beauty in rendering graded paper. Few photographers still use this approach to printing so it's hard to recommend to anyone else except the luddite fraternity.

In our public darkroom, we run 3x Meopta Magnifax 6x9cm - 35mm enlargers with different light sources. I think a lot of the old English photographer's aesthetics and printing techniques (like Barry Thornton) made its mark on me as a student and the Meoptas felt more Eastern block tank like without the refined fragility of the German Dursts. I prefer the tank like build of the Meopta Magnifax over the Dursts. The advantage of the Magnifaxes include its swappable heads. I think the Beseler choice which you have shortlisted, requires a standard dichroic mixing chamber similar to the older Ilford Ilfospeed enlargers and other dichroic light sources. If you like dichroic light sources, that's fine. If you prefer single condensers and sharper negatives, then a dichroic light source might not be the last word.

The Magnifax Meograde B&W multigrade head maps grades of paper onto Ilford's own Warmtone paper selection flawlessly. This is the only paper from Ilford which is workable in toners. The rest of their papers are weak in response to toning and alternative processes although the students love the Ilford MGIV standard.

The incandescent sources for the Black & White Magnifax (not Meograde head which is ideal for your paper selection) make the Meopta Magnifax enlargers much cheaper. The 35mm and 6x9cm condenser lenses are interchangeable (although you can print 35mm on a 6x9cm condenser lens, but not the other way around). The heads swivel and lock 90 degrees so you can project and print on the wall for super enlargements. Bulbs range from 75watt, 100 watt, 150watt - however at 75watt you will find f11 at 30 seconds printing more than sufficient for a standard density 0.55 - 0.65 negative for an 8x10inch print . LED lamps have come in now and are cheap to run and heat less than 150 watts of incandescent heat dissipation.

For your 35mm, 6x7cm,6x9cm, you will need a 50mm, (90mm) and 105mm focal length enlarging lenses to get the most out of each format. Check out the prices of the lens flanges - the Meopta Magnifax makes a lot of sense for a cottage darkroom than some of the other makes charging £60 a lens flange. Before you even consider acquiring the 35mm masks, 6x7cm masks, 6x9cm masks and glass carriers (if you print full rebate).

The ages of these machines also require some emphasis: I've seen lots of wobbly Durst enlargers, but not a wobby Magnifax after decades of use. The metal teeth of the gearing may be important but good quality nylon teeth gearing with less use may swing it.

If you can't decide you can drop in and play with one of our enlargers when we're not busy. Maybe it will give you an idea of what to look for, no matter which enlarger you embark on.

Kind regards
RJ
 

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I have a smaller 6X6 Meopta with the built in rangefinder focusing aid, it has become my standard 35 to 6X6 enlarger, does not have the build quality of a Besler, but with gentle hands capable of good work.
 
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